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Medical garb
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Arcadian Rises
2015-01-28 17:11:54 UTC
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What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
Tony Cooper
2015-01-28 17:42:17 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.

A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.

The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Janet
2015-01-28 21:44:37 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).


Janet UK




Janet (in the UK)
Tony Cooper
2015-01-28 22:59:42 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Could have fooled me. Using Google Images, those not in scrubs are
often in either lab coats or have on long-sleeved shirts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+doctor&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O2nJVIXQI_eSsQSCg4G4Dw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1266&bih=890
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Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Peter Moylan
2015-01-29 03:12:29 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Could have fooled me. Using Google Images, those not in scrubs are
often in either lab coats or have on long-sleeved shirts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+doctor&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O2nJVIXQI_eSsQSCg4G4Dw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1266&bih=890
What happens if you exclude US sites from the search?

I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
Tony Cooper
2015-01-29 03:39:04 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Could have fooled me. Using Google Images, those not in scrubs are
often in either lab coats or have on long-sleeved shirts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+doctor&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O2nJVIXQI_eSsQSCg4G4Dw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1266&bih=890
What happens if you exclude US sites from the search?
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
I am a bit surprised that there is any controversy over this. Donning
a cover-up over what is worn out in the street, and one that can be
laundered each day, seems like a good thing.

This way, the doctor spreads only the germs that are already in the
hospital. No street germs.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-29 13:34:48 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
This way, the doctor spreads only the germs that are already in the
hospital.
That is bad enough. It is estimated that 3000 Danes die each year
from deseases they didn't have when they entered the hospital.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-29 04:50:57 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Janet
2015-01-29 10:05:17 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.

Janet.
Ross
2015-01-29 10:16:10 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
Janet.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the line "I'm not a doctor,
but I play one on TV", but can't remember who said it or in support of
what product.
Peter Moylan
2015-01-29 11:22:37 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the line "I'm not a doctor,
but I play one on TV", but can't remember who said it or in support of
what product.
I think white coats do get some respect from the general public, but we
associate them more with chemistry labs than with medicos. The
'white-coated scientist' image has a long history.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
charles
2015-01-29 12:28:21 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Ross
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white
coats. I thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad
agencies would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face
the camera and tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually
this came to be considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the
line "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV", but can't remember who
said it or in support of what product.
I think white coats do get some respect from the general public, but we
associate them more with chemistry labs than with medicos. The
'white-coated scientist' image has a long history.
doesn't have to be chemistry. SWMBO - a biologist - wore one as a teacher.
--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Wayne Brown
2015-01-29 20:50:56 UTC
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Post by charles
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Ross
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white
coats. I thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad
agencies would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face
the camera and tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually
this came to be considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the
line "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV", but can't remember who
said it or in support of what product.
I think white coats do get some respect from the general public, but we
associate them more with chemistry labs than with medicos. The
'white-coated scientist' image has a long history.
doesn't have to be chemistry. SWMBO - a biologist - wore one as a teacher.
Mainframe computer operators used to wear white lab coats, and so did
some electronics technicians. I was quite disappointed when I began my
first mainframe operations job in 1984 and didn't get a lab coat.
--
F. Wayne Brown <***@bellsouth.net>

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
John Varela
2015-01-30 02:35:59 UTC
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Post by Wayne Brown
Mainframe computer operators used to wear white lab coats, and so did
some electronics technicians. I was quite disappointed when I began my
first mainframe operations job in 1984 and didn't get a lab coat.
Something like this? https://db.tt/P31A9wbi
--
John Varela
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 15:07:41 UTC
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Post by Ross
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette"!
Post by Ross
considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the line "I'm not a doctor,
but I play one on TV", but can't remember who said it or in support of
what product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bergman#Career

Peter Bergman, Vicks cough syrup
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You're the last hope for vaudeville.
--- Groucho Marx to Alice Cooper
Peter Young
2015-01-29 18:53:53 UTC
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Post by Ross
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette"!
I've eaten smoked salmon, smoked trout, smoked venison, smoked eel and
smoked chicken, but I've never eaten smoked camel.

Peter.
--
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(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Re)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Jerry Friedman
2015-01-29 18:04:07 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
Janet.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the line "I'm not a doctor,
but I play one on TV", but can't remember who said it or in support of
what product.
Robert Young (whose name I had to look up), who had played Dr. Marcus
Welby (whose name I remembered, though I never watched the show).
--
Jerry Friedman
Lewis
2015-01-29 22:49:09 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
Janet.
I think PM's comment was based on the fact that in the past, ad agencies
would dress some actor up in a white coat and have him face the camera and
tell you that Product X was good for you. Eventually this came to be
considered unethical. At a later stage I remember the line "I'm not a doctor,
but I play one on TV", but can't remember who said it or in support of
what product.
No white coat:


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Wayne Brown
2015-01-29 20:30:07 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
The average TV viewer probably wouldn't be able to tell which medical
procedures are done correctly on TV and which ones aren't. But they'd
certainly notice if the TV doctors dressed differently from the real
doctors they see in hospitals and clinics.

I think most Americans would be very surprised to encounter a doctor who
wasn't wearing a white coat in an office setting or examination room,
and might be inclined to doubt whether he's really a doctor.
--
F. Wayne Brown <***@bellsouth.net>

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Arcadian Rises
2015-01-29 20:50:26 UTC
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Post by Wayne Brown
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
The average TV viewer probably wouldn't be able to tell which medical
procedures are done correctly on TV and which ones aren't. But they'd
certainly notice if the TV doctors dressed differently from the real
doctors they see in hospitals and clinics.
I think most Americans would be very surprised to encounter a doctor who
wasn't wearing a white coat in an office setting or examination room,
and might be inclined to doubt whether he's really a doctor.
I assume you're talking about the TV dramas or sitcoms, which, of course are fiction, not documentary. You don't expect precision and accuracy in fiction, do you?
Post by Wayne Brown
--
Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Tony Cooper
2015-01-29 22:17:35 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 20:30:07 +0000 (UTC), Wayne Brown
Post by Wayne Brown
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
The average TV viewer probably wouldn't be able to tell which medical
procedures are done correctly on TV and which ones aren't.
Neither my wife nor I are "average" in this context. She is a nurse
who was working as an operating room scrub nurse when we met. I spent
my entire business life selling surgical instruments and specialized
surgical products to hospitals.

Some shows are better than others at authenticity. Grey's Anatomy is
fairly authentic in operating room scenes. It strays far from
authenticity in general hospital procedure. You will never find the
surgical team lined up outside the ER waiting for the ambulances to
unload patients as the GA surgeons do. If there is a true disaster,
there would be a team doing triage as the patents are brought in, but
that team won't include the senior staff of surgeons or even the
residents. The point of disaster triage is determining which patients
will be sent where in the hospital, and the actual surgeons will be
there and waiting.

I have photographed, for the hospital, two disaster drills held here.
One was mock commercial airline crash and the second was a mass
shooting at a public gathering. The triage staff are trained in
triage, not surgery. Victims are tagged by the triage staff to
indicate where in the hospital they should be taken and the estimated
level of injury. Surgeons don't go out into the driveway to meet
patients. They would have to change clothes before returning to the
surgical theater.

What my wife and I find most laughable is the sexual activity in every
supply closet at "Seattle Grace". We can't figure out how these
surgeons have the time and energy to actually perform surgery.

What bothers me most about the "staff" at Seattle Grace is the absence
of Indian and Pakistani doctors. It would be the only hospital in the
US without a generous representation of doctors from those countries.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-29 23:03:38 UTC
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Neither my wife nor I are
Oy!
Peter Moylan
2015-01-30 01:27:15 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Neither my wife nor I are
Oy!
What would you say, then? I know that the singular is usually called for
after neither .. nor, but in this case both "is" and "am" look and sound
silly.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-30 04:30:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Neither my wife nor I are
Oy!
What would you say, then? I know that the singular is usually called for
after neither .. nor, but in this case both "is" and "am" look and sound
silly.
Is. No question.
Lewis
2015-01-30 08:57:18 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Tony Cooper
Neither my wife nor I are
Oy!
What would you say, then? I know that the singular is usually called for
after neither .. nor, but in this case both "is" and "am" look and sound
silly.
The grammar books will say that you must say "Neither my nor I am ..."
but no one with half a brain would ever say that without sounding a
pompous fool and actual usage will fall on the side of "are" more often
than the equally incorrect "is".

The "rule" is that in a neither/nor clause the verb must agree with the
closest noun, which in this case is "I" so you would have you use
"Neither my wife nor I am" because without the clause you would say "I
am not ..."

This has been the rule for a very long time, but you can find more
examples of it "wrong" in published writing than you can of it "right".

In a similar construction, "Neither John nor Bob is ..." the rule makes
much more sense, though I can't say how often it is still said "wrong"
with a plural noun. Less than in the previous example though, I'm sure.
--
http://2blog.kreme.com
David Kleinecke
2015-01-30 01:53:38 UTC
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Post by Wayne Brown
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
The average TV viewer probably wouldn't be able to tell which medical
procedures are done correctly on TV and which ones aren't. But they'd
certainly notice if the TV doctors dressed differently from the real
doctors they see in hospitals and clinics.
I think most Americans would be very surprised to encounter a doctor who
wasn't wearing a white coat in an office setting or examination room,
and might be inclined to doubt whether he's really a doctor.
--
Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
I have never seen the young lady who is my personal MD in a white coat.
Lewis
2015-01-30 09:08:27 UTC
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Post by Wayne Brown
Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
The average TV viewer probably wouldn't be able to tell which medical
procedures are done correctly on TV and which ones aren't. But they'd
certainly notice if the TV doctors dressed differently from the real
doctors they see in hospitals and clinics.
I think most Americans would be very surprised to encounter a doctor who
wasn't wearing a white coat in an office setting or examination room,
and might be inclined to doubt whether he's really a doctor.
Not in my experience, no. We've been going to the same Pediatrician now
for over 17 years and I don't think I've ever seen her in a white coat
other than the first time we saw her which was in the hospital.

(My eldest was born during a blizzard and we were snowed in at the
hospital for three days. Our pediatrician had a large 4-wheel drive and
knew how to use it, so she showed up at the hospital on the second day
to help out.)

I'd ask my wife about her most recent Doctor's visit, but I think she
ended up seeing a PA instead of an MD.
--
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Adam Funk
2015-01-29 21:01:30 UTC
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Post by Janet
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
why would TV doctors wear something radically different from real doctors?
Maybe for the same reason they perfom medical procedures in a way
that's radically different from real doctors.
Almost everything I know about doing surgery I learned from watching
_M*A*S*H_. Fortunately I haven't had to put it into practice.
--
I used to be better at logic problems, before I just dumped
them all into TeX and let Knuth pick out the survivors.
-- plorkwort
Don Phillipson
2015-01-29 16:57:36 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
I didn't realise, until you said it, that US doctors had white coats. I
thought that was only for TV doctors.
A current Canadian radio series (featuring a real doctor discussing
medical topics) is entitled "White coats and black art."
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Arcadian Rises
2015-01-29 18:27:02 UTC
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JE SWISS BROKE.
Steve Hayes
2015-01-30 10:09:48 UTC
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JE SWISS BROKE.
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Justin Thyme
2015-01-29 17:01:42 UTC
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Post by Janet
@gmail.com says...
Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes. The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Could have fooled me. Using Google Images, those not in scrubs are
often in either lab coats or have on long-sleeved shirts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+doctor&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=O2nJVIXQI_eSsQSCg4G4Dw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1266&bih=890
I did once see a doctor wearing a rugby shirt. Unfortunately he was not
treating me. Had he been doing so I would have said he was
indistinguishable from someone who had walked in off the street, so
could I please see his documentation proving that he was, indeed
qualified to treat me. One should never miss an opportunity to piss off
members of the profession.
--
Sorrow in all lands, and grievous omens.
Great anger in the dragon of the hills,
And silent now the earth's green oracles
That will not speak again of innocence.
David Sutton -- Geomancies
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-29 17:14:59 UTC
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Post by Justin Thyme
I did once see a doctor wearing a rugby shirt. Unfortunately he was not
treating me. Had he been doing so I would have said he was
indistinguishable from someone who had walked in off the street, so
could I please see his documentation proving that he was, indeed
qualified to treat me. One should never miss an opportunity to piss off
members of the profession.
I think I would - if he was going to treat me.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Peter Moylan
2015-01-30 01:39:15 UTC
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Post by Justin Thyme
I did once see a doctor wearing a rugby shirt. Unfortunately he was not
treating me. Had he been doing so I would have said he was
indistinguishable from someone who had walked in off the street, so
could I please see his documentation proving that he was, indeed
qualified to treat me. One should never miss an opportunity to piss off
members of the profession.
Most of the medical doctors I deal with look as if they had walked in
off the street. The exception is in operating theatres, but even there
the person wearing scrubs is just as likely to be a medical technician
or similar.

Of course I've heard the joke about the painters who used their white
coats to let them examine hospital patients, but in my experience people
don't usually use a uniform as a proof of competence. Perhaps that's
because I've met too many army people.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
John Varela
2015-01-30 02:44:48 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:01:42 UTC, Justin Thyme
Post by Justin Thyme
I did once see a doctor wearing a rugby shirt. Unfortunately he was not
treating me. Had he been doing so I would have said he was
indistinguishable from someone who had walked in off the street, so
could I please see his documentation proving that he was, indeed
qualified to treat me. One should never miss an opportunity to piss off
members of the profession.
About fifty years ago I had moved to a new city and started with a
new dentist. In those days dental personnel didn't wear face masks
or gloves. The dental hygienist in this office came in wearing blue
jeans and a checked shirt. I wasn't thrilled at the idea of someone
who looked like she had just stepped out of a barn putting her
fingers in my mouth. I never went back there.
--
John Varela
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-30 09:07:46 UTC
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Post by John Varela
About fifty years ago I had moved to a new city and started with a
new dentist. In those days dental personnel didn't wear face masks
or gloves. The dental hygienist in this office came in wearing blue
jeans and a checked shirt. I wasn't thrilled at the idea of someone
who looked like she had just stepped out of a barn putting her
fingers in my mouth. I never went back there.
In my previous town I had two excellent doctors, husband and
wife. Now they are four becuase their two boys have joined them.
I was not entirely comfortable with the woman (it's a long
story), but she is a good doctor. Once I went there and was shown
into her room, she was wearing ordinary clothes and had used
perfume. That made me so uncomfortable that from then on I asked
to see one of the other doctors.

On previous occasions she and the males had worn a white coat as
it is customary for doctors in Denmark. I do not know if this was
a one off since I haven't seen her since.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 15:35:32 UTC
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Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
--
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must do something with. For instance, cake. This is like telling you
what to do with your leftover whisky. --- Peg Bracken
Peter Young
2015-01-29 18:55:22 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.

Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Re)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 20:30:28 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
Well, tie it up a bit shorter then.
--
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times," replied Dramoren. "Librarians are the last line of defence
against chaos." (McMullen 2001)
Wayne Brown
2015-01-29 23:34:31 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
Well, tie it up a bit shorter then.
Or wear a tie clasp.

I welcome opportunities to wear a tie (which, these days, come all too
seldom). It gives me a chance to wear my favorite tie clasp, which is
a miniature, working slide rule.
--
F. Wayne Brown <***@bellsouth.net>

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-30 09:08:42 UTC
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Post by Wayne Brown
I welcome opportunities to wear a tie (which, these days, come all too
seldom). It gives me a chance to wear my favorite tie clasp, which is
a miniature, working slide rule.
Beautiful. Next generation will have a miniature working
calculator.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Peter Moylan
2015-01-30 01:42:29 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
JE SUIS CHARLIE
John Varela
2015-01-30 02:46:02 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
And keep it out of the office shredder.
--
John Varela
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-30 04:31:16 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
Isn't that called a Darwin Award?
charles
2015-01-30 09:53:20 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
Isn't that called a Darwin Award?
I think the ban (which I met in 1959) started long before the Darwin Awards
--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
charles
2015-01-30 09:52:02 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Peter Young
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Janet
The NHS banned those white jackets years ago (and ties, and long
sleeves).
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
And tend to hang into unclean parts.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
That's why the bow tie was invented
--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Mark Brader
2015-01-30 10:16:13 UTC
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Post by charles
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by Adam Funk
Ties are unsanitary because they are difficult to launder.
They're banned in engineering labs because of what happens when you
dangle one into a rotating machine.
That's why the bow tie was invented
Well, that would explain this (animated GIF):

Loading Image...
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Lewis
2015-01-28 23:55:06 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
And, based on several people I know who work in hospitals, they are
always called scrubs.
--
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Justin Thyme
2015-01-29 16:58:31 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:11:54 -0800 (PST), Arcadian Rises
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy?
Scrubs are what is worn by staff (doctors and others) in operating
theatres. Scrub suit (i.e., jacket and trousers) is more formal. One
dictionary says N. American, but they must be common terms over here too
else I would not know them.
Post by Tony Cooper
Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
"Scrubs" are a particular type of outfit. They are not generally an
"overall" if - as I do - you consider an "overall" to be a one-piece
outfit. Scrubs are a top and a bottom.
A doctor wearing scrubs when not in the operating room is dressing
informally, so it is not incorrect to use the informal term. IMO.
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes.
For men in Rightpondia a suit is the norm. Ties used to be too but they
are now deprecated because by dangling on patients they might carry
infection around the hospital.
Post by Tony Cooper
The jacket will have his name and "M.D"
embroidered on the jacket so you will not make the mistake of thinking
he is one of the lesser mortals.
Here, name tags are clipped to the lapel or breast pocket, or are hung
round the neck.

Here's a little joke for you to annoy your doctor:
Q: what's the definition of an alcoholic?
A: someone who drinks more than his doctor.
--
Sorrow in all lands, and grievous omens.
Great anger in the dragon of the hills,
And silent now the earth's green oracles
That will not speak again of innocence.
David Sutton -- Geomancies
Mark Brader
2015-01-30 01:42:57 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes.
Agreed.
Post by Tony Cooper
The jacket will have his name and "M.D" embroidered on the jacket...
he is one of the lesser mortals.
That doesn't seem usual to me, though I may have seen it sometime. In
their own offices people know who they are, and in a hospital I'd expect
them to be wearing a hospital-issued badge with their name and position.
--
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
Tony Cooper
2015-01-30 02:49:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Brader
Post by Tony Cooper
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes.
Agreed.
Post by Tony Cooper
The jacket will have his name and "M.D" embroidered on the jacket...
he is one of the lesser mortals.
That doesn't seem usual to me, though I may have seen it sometime. In
their own offices people know who they are, and in a hospital I'd expect
them to be wearing a hospital-issued badge with their name and position.
Loading Image...
is what I'm used to seeing. (Don't know the doc, though) The badge
would be attached to the lab coat when in the hospital.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Lewis
2015-01-30 09:02:37 UTC
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Post by Mark Brader
Post by Tony Cooper
The more formal attire for a doctor not in surgery is a long white
jacket over street clothes.
Agreed.
Post by Tony Cooper
The jacket will have his name and "M.D" embroidered on the jacket...
he is one of the lesser mortals.
That doesn't seem usual to me, though I may have seen it sometime. In
their own offices people know who they are, and in a hospital I'd expect
them to be wearing a hospital-issued badge with their name and position.
I think in most hospitals the doctors own the coat, and so they are
often embroidered with a name in addition to having a hospital ID.

Here's what I am used to, sans ID:

<Loading Image...>

or

<Loading Image...>
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Peter Young
2015-01-28 17:46:11 UTC
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Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.

Peter.
--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Re)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Tony Cooper
2015-01-28 19:28:35 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Ross
2015-01-28 20:16:21 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
erilar
2015-01-28 20:36:16 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
Artists wear them at times. I've never seen/heard it applied to doctors.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Tony Cooper
2015-01-28 22:33:20 UTC
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Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".

A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Ross
2015-01-28 23:13:30 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Well, historically it is simply a loose outer (upper) garment. Your association
with artsy-crafties is probably from (artist) painters wearing them,
at least in our 19th-century-based stereotype:

http://www.timtim.com/drawing/view/drawing_id/4512

They wore them to keep paint splashes off their regular clothes. (I guess
that's what they have in common with aprons.) People in other lines of work
(sailors, agricultural workers) wore them for similar reasons. I don't think
I've heard it applied to surgical gear, but it wouldn't surprise me - would
make a lot more sense than "smoke".
David D S
2015-01-29 01:44:03 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:46:11 GMT, Peter Young
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
What you describe as a smock could also be similar to what
we called a "pinny". It was the name we gave to a loose
protective overall worn by my maternal grandmother when
she was doing housework.
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Katy Jennison
2015-01-29 05:41:34 UTC
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Post by David D S
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:46:11 GMT, Peter Young
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
What you describe as a smock could also be similar to what
we called a "pinny". It was the name we gave to a loose
protective overall worn by my maternal grandmother when
she was doing housework.
WIWAL there were clear distinctions between these three things. A smock
went on over the head, like a very loose dress. ("Traditional" smocks,
as traditionally worn by shepherds, also had smocking on the front, but
it wasn't mandatory.) A pinafore or pinny had a bib front and tied at
the back. An apron had no bib: it was just waist-down.

These days these useful distinctions no longer apply. Life has got much
more fuzzy.
--
Katy Jennison
Lewis
2015-01-30 00:14:41 UTC
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Post by Katy Jennison
Post by David D S
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:46:11 GMT, Peter Young
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
What you describe as a smock could also be similar to what
we called a "pinny". It was the name we gave to a loose
protective overall worn by my maternal grandmother when
she was doing housework.
WIWAL there were clear distinctions between these three things. A smock
went on over the head, like a very loose dress. ("Traditional" smocks,
as traditionally worn by shepherds, also had smocking on the front, but
it wasn't mandatory.) A pinafore or pinny had a bib front and tied at
the back. An apron had no bib: it was just waist-down.
We had pinnies in gym class when I was young, but they were called
"pennies". We had to wear them to designate teams.

A smock was always several things, a overshirt that tied via a long
string that threaded on one side and tied on the other, or a loose
long-sleeved overshirt worn by kids when doing something especially
messy like painting.

A smock always seemed like it was something to offer more protection for
clothing than a mere apron, while a pinny offered none at all.
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Steve Hayes
2015-01-29 06:18:17 UTC
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Post by David D S
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:46:11 GMT, Peter Young
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
What you describe as a smock could also be similar to what
we called a "pinny". It was the name we gave to a loose
protective overall worn by my maternal grandmother when
she was doing housework.
Quite different, in MyE.

An artist's smock is like a very loose-fitting overshirt, with long sleeves,
to prevent other clothing from getting blotches of paint.

A pinny has no sleeves, and in MyE is a woman's dress with a bib-overall
front, usually worn over a jersey.
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charles
2015-01-29 06:53:04 UTC
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Post by David D S
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:46:11 GMT, Peter Young
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
What you describe as a smock could also be similar to what
we called a "pinny". It was the name we gave to a loose
protective overall worn by my maternal grandmother when
she was doing housework.
Pinny is short for pinafore = Something pinned in front of normal clothing
for protection.
--
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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18
Charles Bishop
2015-01-29 15:07:59 UTC
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In article <***@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
charles <***@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]
Post by charles
Pinny is short for pinafore = Something pinned in front of normal clothing
for protection.
All these years and I never knew that. Is there a reason, related to
this, the HMS Pinafore was called that?

Also, I have the image of something that is slipped over the head and is
a dress, rather than being pinned to other clothing. I associate them
with country or western (cowboy) women on ranches or in small towns.
--
charles
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2015-01-29 17:45:57 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:07:59 -0800, Charles Bishop
Post by Charles Bishop
[snip]
Post by charles
Pinny is short for pinafore = Something pinned in front of normal clothing
for protection.
All these years and I never knew that. Is there a reason, related to
this, the HMS Pinafore was called that?
This just says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.M.S._Pinafore

The title of the piece comically applies the name of a garment for
girls and women, a pinafore, to the fearsome symbol of a naval
warship.
Post by Charles Bishop
Also, I have the image of something that is slipped over the head and is
a dress, rather than being pinned to other clothing. I associate them
with country or western (cowboy) women on ranches or in small towns.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-29 18:20:49 UTC
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Post by Charles Bishop
Post by charles
Pinny is short for pinafore = Something pinned in front of normal clothing
for protection.
All these years and I never knew that. Is there a reason, related to
this, the HMS Pinafore was called that?
I don't know but it seems obvious. The song is about all the
'hering salad' that is pinned on your jacket.

"Hering salad" is a Danish name for a lot of medals and orders.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-29 18:59:43 UTC
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Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
"Hering salad" is a Danish name for a lot of medals and orders.
"herring" in English.

"Scrambled eggs" in disrespectful US slang, referring to the gold-braid
knotwork on high-ranking officers' sleeves and caps.

NB It puts paid to Damia's claim that "scrambling" eggs means 'beating' them.
Charles Bishop
2015-01-30 06:54:28 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
"Hering salad" is a Danish name for a lot of medals and orders.
"herring" in English.
"Scrambled eggs" in disrespectful US slang, referring to the gold-braid
knotwork on high-ranking officers' sleeves and caps.
NB It puts paid to Damia's claim that "scrambling" eggs means 'beating' them.
No it doesn't.
--
charles, you can probably figure out why
Charles Bishop
2015-01-29 05:23:09 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
My lab coats were longer, down to mid thigh or just above the knee, than
what I think of a jacket length.
Post by Tony Cooper
A "smock", to me, is like an apron. It does not fully enclose the
body. I associate them with artsy-craftsy people.
I've also worn something smock like. It wrapped around the body with
ties on each side. One of the ties went through a slit in the opposite
side and they were both tied together in front. I don't think I ever had
to call it anything, clean ones were delivered weekly, I'd guess.
--
charles
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-29 13:36:17 UTC
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Post by Charles Bishop
I've also worn something smock like. It wrapped around the body with
ties on each side. One of the ties went through a slit in the opposite
side and they were both tied together in front. I don't think I ever had
to call it anything, clean ones were delivered weekly, I'd guess.
The Danish word for that, "forklæde", means "front cloth".
--
Bertel, Denmark
Steve Hayes
2015-01-29 06:14:00 UTC
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Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
I wouldn't call a lab coat a "jacket" either.

When I read "white jacket" in an earlier post *which you don't seem to have
posted), I pictured something like this:

http://www.mytuxedocatalog.com/catalog/rental-tuxedos-and-suits/C943-White-Savoy-Tuxedo
--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Cheryl
2015-01-29 11:37:53 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Ross
Post by Tony Cooper
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Peter.
It certainly isn't a US term that I've heard in forty years of
frequent contact with doctors.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
"Smock", maybe...?
They - white jackets - are also known as "Lab Coats".
I wouldn't call a lab coat a "jacket" either.
When I read "white jacket" in an earlier post *which you don't seem to have
http://www.mytuxedocatalog.com/catalog/rental-tuxedos-and-suits/C943-White-Savoy-Tuxedo
Medical students here get a short white jacket, like a short lab coat,
when they enter medical school and a lab coat when they start clinical
work. I don't know how often they (or real doctors) wear either; I've
seen doctors wearing lab coats as described by Tony sometimes, but often
they seem to wear street clothes. Surgeons and students studying surgery
tend to wear scrubs (also called 'greens') a lot, even outside the OR.
Older physicians and surgeons are more likely to wear nice suits, or, if
female, dressy business-style outfits, than younger ones, who sometimes
have people tut-tutting over their informality. Hospitals have dress
codes, generally along the lines of "formal; no revealing tops, raggedly
clothing or sandals more suited for the beach".
--
Cheryl
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
2015-01-28 20:19:49 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Smock?
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
2015-01-29 00:27:47 UTC
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Post by Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Smock?
I was right. See Google Images: "doctor's smock".
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Arcadian Rises
2015-01-29 18:24:41 UTC
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Post by Reinhold {Rey} Aman
Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
Smock?
Obviously. My bad

I'm surprised other people didn't take it as a typo. I hope they are not MDs who need to think outside the box when making a diagnosis.
Post by Reinhold {Rey} Aman
--
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2015-01-28 23:06:08 UTC
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Post by Peter Young
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I never heard "doctor's smoke" in forty years of practice.
The nearest clothing word to "smoke" that I can think of is "smock".

I know of an "artist's smock", but I've not heard of the word in medical
use.

I live and learn!
http://www.alibaba.com/nurse-smock-promotion.html
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-28 19:36:28 UTC
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Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
overall:

Loading Image...

and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.

Loading Image...

But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
--
Bertel, Denmark
Adam Funk
2015-01-28 21:51:14 UTC
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Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
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use more.
Katy Jennison
2015-01-28 22:59:28 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
Post by Adam Funk
I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
--
Katy Jennison
Tony Cooper
2015-01-28 23:37:28 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:59:28 +0000, Katy Jennison
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
The ones I see wear a white donkey jacket.
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Bertel Lund Hansen
2015-01-28 23:37:45 UTC
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Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
Do you mean that both kinds now are called "overalls"?
--
Bertel, Denmark
Katy Jennison
2015-01-29 05:00:24 UTC
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Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
Do you mean that both kinds now are called "overalls"?
The "bib and brace" ones seem more often to be called bib overalls or
just overalls. Boiler suits may still be called boiler suits, but also
overalls, or coveralls, or indeed all three names at once: there are ads
for "boiler suit overall coveralls" out there.
--
Katy Jennison
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
2015-01-29 17:54:23 UTC
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Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
I'd be pretty concerned if the doctor approached me in a boiler suit,
yes.
Doctor approaches carrying a pipe wrench: "Good morning. I see from your
records that you have a problem with your internal plumbing."

Churchill wore a similar garment that was known as a "siren suit":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_suit

Today we have the "onespie":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onesie_%28jumpsuit%29

Boilersuit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilersuit
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Mack A. Damia
2015-01-29 18:06:12 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:54:23 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
I'd be pretty concerned if the doctor approached me in a boiler suit,
yes.
Doctor approaches carrying a pipe wrench: "Good morning. I see from your
records that you have a problem with your internal plumbing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_suit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onesie_%28jumpsuit%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilersuit
"Coveralls" in the U.S.

http://www.dickies.com/mens-clothing/mens-coveralls.jsp

--
R H Draney
2015-01-29 21:50:08 UTC
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Post by Mack A. Damia
On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:54:23 +0000, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
I'd be pretty concerned if the doctor approached me in a boiler suit,
yes.
Doctor approaches carrying a pipe wrench: "Good morning. I see from
your records that you have a problem with your internal plumbing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_suit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onesie_%28jumpsuit%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilersuit
"Coveralls" in the U.S.
http://www.dickies.com/mens-clothing/mens-coveralls.jsp
Or "speedsuit" in the Venture Brothers cartoon series....r
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 21:51:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
I'd be pretty concerned if the doctor approached me in a boiler suit,
yes.
Doctor approaches carrying a pipe wrench: "Good morning. I see from your
records that you have a problem with your internal plumbing."
Now I have to wonder about "external plumbing"....
--
"Gonzo, is that the contract from the devil?"
"No, Kermit, it's worse than that. This is the bill from special
effects."
Janet
2015-01-29 22:20:23 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@news.ducksburg.com>, ***@ducksburg.com
says...
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Post by Katy Jennison
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace";
Pretty much, yes, although both those terms are rather dated now.
Neither of them is used for the sort of thing a doctor might wear, though.
I'd be pretty concerned if the doctor approached me in a boiler suit,
yes.
Doctor approaches carrying a pipe wrench: "Good morning. I see from your
records that you have a problem with your internal plumbing."
Now I have to wonder about "external plumbing"....
You're a chap, you've got external plumbing.

Janet.
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-29 04:56:18 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
To try to wrench the topic back to the unanswered question, I _think_ your
"overall" (sg.) is our "coverall" -- a loose-fitting outer garment with
arms and legs worn over ordinary clothes to protect them from the dirt or
paint of the worksite.

Our "overalls" are a garment like loose-fitting jeans with a bib and
buttoned shoulder straps, traditionally worn by farmers, usually over
a t-shirt.

Similar to coveralls is a "jump suit" (perhaps originally designed for
parachutists), with form- pr snug-fitting arms and legs and a zipper all
the way down the front.
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 15:12:05 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
(What I meant there was that I doubt "boiler suit" is used in AmE but
can't be sure it never is.)
Post by Peter T. Daniels
To try to wrench the topic back to the unanswered question, I _think_ your
"overall" (sg.) is our "coverall" -- a loose-fitting outer garment with
arms and legs worn over ordinary clothes to protect them from the dirt or
paint of the worksite.
Our "overalls" are a garment like loose-fitting jeans with a bib and
buttoned shoulder straps, traditionally worn by farmers, usually over
a t-shirt.
Well, I think (in AmE) "overalls" can refer to both kinds, whereas
"coverall" is only the first kind.
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Similar to coveralls is a "jump suit" (perhaps originally designed for
parachutists), with form- pr snug-fitting arms and legs and a zipper all
the way down the front.
Whatever happened to leisure suits?!?!?
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use more.
Peter T. Daniels
2015-01-29 18:18:24 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
(What I meant there was that I doubt "boiler suit" is used in AmE but
can't be sure it never is.)
Post by Peter T. Daniels
To try to wrench the topic back to the unanswered question, I _think_ your
"overall" (sg.) is our "coverall" -- a loose-fitting outer garment with
arms and legs worn over ordinary clothes to protect them from the dirt or
paint of the worksite.
Our "overalls" are a garment like loose-fitting jeans with a bib and
buttoned shoulder straps, traditionally worn by farmers, usually over
a t-shirt.
Well, I think (in AmE) "overalls" can refer to both kinds, whereas
"coverall" is only the first kind.
I haven't encountered "overalls" for "coverall," nor have I ever heard
"boiler suit." "Boiled" somehow related to white tie, perhaps referring
to the starching of the dickey; maybe in 30s movies, probably something
like *My Man Godfrey*.
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Similar to coveralls is a "jump suit" (perhaps originally designed for
parachutists), with form- pr snug-fitting arms and legs and a zipper all
the way down the front.
Whatever happened to leisure suits?!?!?
They all moved to Boca.
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 21:16:15 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
(What I meant there was that I doubt "boiler suit" is used in AmE but
can't be sure it never is.)
Post by Peter T. Daniels
To try to wrench the topic back to the unanswered question, I _think_ your
"overall" (sg.) is our "coverall" -- a loose-fitting outer garment with
arms and legs worn over ordinary clothes to protect them from the dirt or
paint of the worksite.
Our "overalls" are a garment like loose-fitting jeans with a bib and
buttoned shoulder straps, traditionally worn by farmers, usually over
a t-shirt.
Well, I think (in AmE) "overalls" can refer to both kinds, whereas
"coverall" is only the first kind.
(I'd call the 2nd "bib overalls" if necessary to disambiguate.)
Post by Peter T. Daniels
I haven't encountered "overalls" for "coverall," nor have I ever heard
"boiler suit." "Boiled" somehow related to white tie, perhaps referring
to the starching of the dickey; maybe in 30s movies, probably something
like *My Man Godfrey*.
AIUI, BrE "boiler suit" comes from cleaning out coal boilers.
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whose? --- Don Marquis
Charles Bishop
2015-01-29 15:20:05 UTC
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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Post by Adam Funk
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
To try to wrench the topic back to the unanswered question, I _think_ your
"overall" (sg.) is our "coverall" -- a loose-fitting outer garment with
arms and legs worn over ordinary clothes to protect them from the dirt or
paint of the worksite.
Our "overalls" are a garment like loose-fitting jeans with a bib and
buttoned shoulder straps, traditionally worn by farmers, usually over
a t-shirt.
Similar to coveralls is a "jump suit" (perhaps originally designed for
parachutists), with form- pr snug-fitting arms and legs and a zipper all
the way down the front.
My dad, a pilot (at times), wore a jump suit. It may have to do with
parachuting, such that he might need to parachute out of an airplane.

There is also "bunny suit", a one piece garment (except for shoe
coverings and gloves) that was put on to cover all of a person's clothes
and head. We used them to enter "clean rooms" because any small bit off
of clothing could contaminate the product/procedures being done in the
clean room. Our clean room was used for analysis, other clean rooms were
used for production.
--
charles
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 15:32:26 UTC
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Post by Charles Bishop
There is also "bunny suit", a one piece garment (except for shoe
coverings and gloves) that was put on to cover all of a person's clothes
and head. We used them to enter "clean rooms" because any small bit off
of clothing could contaminate the product/procedures being done in the
clean room. Our clean room was used for analysis, other clean rooms were
used for production.
This is not the Hefner bunny suit, then.
--
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itself. The United States needs some theology and geometry, some taste
and decency. I suspect that we are teetering on the edge of the abyss.
--- Ignatius J Reilly
Jerry Friedman
2015-01-29 05:52:42 UTC
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Post by Adam Funk
Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Maybe this is only Danish use, but this is what I call an
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bib-brace.jpg
and this is what in Danish is called "kedeldragt" = "boiler suit"
where "boiler" means a huge container for fluids (usually water)
with a fire under it.
http://www.fotoagent.dk/single_picture/11108/138/mega/m00112.jpg
But Google mixes pictures of the two kinds.
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
"Backstage at the local Armory, MARY, in her little white dress,
is wiping the remnants of her performance off the side of her mouth
as LARRY (the guy from the garage who quit the band in order to make
an honest living) zips up the front of his stinking boiler suit and sings
to the same teen-age girls who were stomping and clapping a little while
ago..."

That's probably enough. Frank Zappa, "Crew Slut"--you can't get any
more American than that.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/frankzappa/crewslut.html
--
Jerry Friedman
Add water, makes its own sauce.
Adam Funk
2015-01-29 15:13:07 UTC
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Post by Jerry Friedman
Post by Adam Funk
I think (but am not 100% sure) that "boiler suit" in BrE refers to the
sleeved kind, whereas the sleeveless strapped kind is "bib & brace"; I
guess "overalls" covers both. I'm not sure if "boiler suit" is used
in AmE.
"Backstage at the local Armory, MARY, in her little white dress,
is wiping the remnants of her performance off the side of her mouth
as LARRY (the guy from the garage who quit the band in order to make
an honest living) zips up the front of his stinking boiler suit and sings
to the same teen-age girls who were stomping and clapping a little while
ago..."
That's probably enough. Frank Zappa, "Crew Slut"--you can't get any
more American than that.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/frankzappa/crewslut.html
It's hard to argue with that. I stand corrected.
--
No right of private conversation was enumerated in the Constitution.
I don't suppose it occurred to anyone at the time that it could be
prevented. [Whitfield Diffie]
Django Cat
2015-01-28 20:08:41 UTC
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Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
You can never be too British, pal.

DC

--
erilar
2015-01-28 20:35:20 UTC
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Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
Is "scrubs" too slangy? Is "doctor's smoke" too British?
I see/hear "scrubs" a lot. I've never encountered the others.
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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Richard Tobin
2015-01-28 21:14:51 UTC
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What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
An overall?

-- Richard
Don Phillipson
2015-01-28 22:06:53 UTC
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What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
How about "doctor's white coat"?
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
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Mark Brader
2015-01-30 01:47:40 UTC
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Post by Arcadian Rises
What do you call, formally and informally, a doctor's overall?
How about "doctor's white coat"?
Ah, good point. I posted this here less than a year ago:

Doctor, doctor, in your white coat,
Doctor, doctor, cut my throat.

And when you've finished, doctor, then
Won't you sew it up again?

--Isaac Asimov, improvising before surgery (quoted from memory)
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