someone who appreciates food

[navi]

Which are correct:

1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2) He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.

If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?


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Navi

Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Obsessed with ambiguity
Interested in strange structures

[Hibou]

Post by navi
1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2)  He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.
If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?

I suspect this is one of those cases where, if you ask two grammarians,
you'll receive three different answers.

It has a flavour of both. It is working as an adjective, cf. "He sees
himself as handsome", but it can still do verby things such as take an
adverb: "He sees himself as fully appreciating his food."

For mortals, grammar is an aid to understanding, and it does sometimes
struggle to explain what natives speakers just know. I think in this
case, if you're asking "adjective or verb?", you've probably already
done enough.

You could take the bypass:

He sees himself as a gourmet, not a glutton.

[Snidely]

Post by Hibou

Post by navi
1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2)  He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.
If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?

I suspect this is one of those cases where, if you ask two grammarians,
you'll receive three different answers.
It has a flavour of both. It is working as an adjective, cf. "He sees himself
as handsome", but it can still do verby things such as take an adverb: "He
sees himself as fully appreciating his food."
For mortals, grammar is an aid to understanding, and it does sometimes
struggle to explain what natives speakers just know. I think in this case, if
you're asking "adjective or verb?", you've probably already done enough.
He sees himself as a gourmet, not a glutton.

Clever.

/dps "Both"

[navi]

Thank you both very much.

[wugi]

Post by Hibou

Post by navi
1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2)  He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.
If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?

I suspect this is one of those cases where, if you ask two grammarians,
you'll receive three different answers.
It has a flavour of both. It is working as an adjective, cf. "He sees
himself as handsome", but it can still do verby things such as take an
adverb: "He sees himself as fully appreciating his food."

The fact that it has "food" as an object already makes "appreciating"
full-fledged verbal, not adjectival.
Also taking an adverb does not prevent being an adjective:
He sees himself as very/rather not/... handsome.

Meseems :o)

[Hibou]

Post by wugi

Post by Hibou

Post by navi
1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2)  He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.
If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?

I suspect this is one of those cases where, if you ask two
grammarians, you'll receive three different answers.
It has a flavour of both. It is working as an adjective, cf. "He sees
himself as handsome", but it can still do verby things such as take an
adverb: "He sees himself as fully appreciating his food."

The fact that it has "food" as an object already makes "appreciating"
full-fledged verbal, not adjectival.
He sees himself as very/rather not/... handsome.
Meseems :o)

As with gerunds, it's the dual nature that causes dissent. Gerunds can
contain objects too: "Smoking /cigarettes/ is bad for your health"
('Chambers English Grammar').

Your point about adverbs is a good one, but it's a different kind of
adverb. 'Very' is one of degree - all right with 'handsome', but not
with 'to appreciate'. 'Fully' seems to me to hover between degree and
manner (I am fully seized of your point etc.), but, whatever class it's
in, it works with 'to appreciate', but not with 'handsome'.

<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/adverbs-types>

[wugi]

Post by Hibou

Post by wugi

Post by Hibou

Post by navi
1) He sees himself as someone who appreciates food, not as a glutton.
2)  He sees himself as appreciating food, not as a glutton.
If '2' is correct, is 'appreciating food' an adjective or is it verbal?

I suspect this is one of those cases where, if you ask two
grammarians, you'll receive three different answers.
It has a flavour of both. It is working as an adjective, cf. "He sees
himself as handsome", but it can still do verby things such as take
an adverb: "He sees himself as fully appreciating his food."

The fact that it has "food" as an object already makes "appreciating"
full-fledged verbal, not adjectival.
He sees himself as very/rather not/... handsome.
Meseems :o)

As with gerunds, it's the dual nature that causes dissent. Gerunds can
contain objects too: "Smoking /cigarettes/ is bad for your health"
('Chambers English Grammar').

Then it is verbal, to my taste anyway, comparing with Dutch:

Verbal noun (verbal with object, noun with main verb):
Smoking cigarettes is bad.
Sigaretten roken is slecht.
Noun:
The smoking of cigarettes is considered a health hazard.
Het roken van sigaretten wordt als een gezondheidsrisico beschouwd.
(Possibly not used properly here but there are similar cases around)

Post by Hibou
Your point about adverbs is a good one, but it's a different kind of
adverb. 'Very' is one of degree - all right with 'handsome', but not
with 'to appreciate'. 'Fully' seems to me to hover between degree and
manner (I am fully seized of your point etc.), but, whatever class it's
in, it works with 'to appreciate', but not with 'handsome'.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/adverbs-types>

Well yes, there is that: not all adverbs are interchangeable.

[Hibou]

Post by wugi

Post by Hibou
As with gerunds, it's the dual nature that causes dissent. Gerunds can
contain objects too: "Smoking /cigarettes/ is bad for your health"
('Chambers English Grammar').

Then it is verbal, to my taste anyway,

Well, whatever floats your grammatical boat, whatever helps you to
master the language.

For myself, I am happy to think of gerunds as simultaneously verbal and
nominal.

Post by wugi
Smoking cigarettes is bad.
Sigaretten roken is slecht.
The smoking of cigarettes is considered a health hazard.
Het roken van sigaretten wordt als een gezondheidsrisico beschouwd.
(Possibly not used properly here but there are similar cases around)