etymology of troll (fishing) and trawl

[Demetrius Zeluff]

Hello,

Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?

Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?

Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

[Martin Ambuhl]

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Hello,
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?
Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?
Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

Did you try Google? If you have trouble using Google, try
<http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=troll&action=Search>,
<http://www.onelook.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=troll>, or
<http://www.google.com/search?q=troll>.
BTW, it's "separate."
Add "trull" to your list of similar words.

[Demetrius Zeluff]

Post by Martin Ambuhl

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Hello,
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?
Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?
Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

Did you try Google?

Yes.

Did you read, and understand, my question?

I know the meaning of the word troll.

Post by Martin Ambuhl
If you have trouble using Google,

*sigh*


Let me reword it, to make it a bit easier:

Which came first, when used for fishing, Troll or Trawl?
And is one derived form the other, or are they separate? (Thanks for the
correction BTW.)

Post by Martin Ambuhl
try
<http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?

query=troll&action=Search>,

"troll
An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic)
communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly
controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message.
Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-
trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose
their minds."

This entry does not mention trawl, and does not tell me if troll is
derived from trawl or not.

Please tell me why this link is of any use to me at all?

Post by Martin Ambuhl
<http://www.onelook.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=troll>,

Thanks for this link. It does not tell me if troll or trawl is derived
from trawl or troll, but has lots of links so I'll plough through those.

Post by Martin Ambuhl
<http://www.google.com/search?q=troll>.

You need to improve your search tactics. +troll +definition, if I wanted
to know the definition, which I didn't.

Post by Martin Ambuhl
BTW, it's "separate."
Add "trull" to your list of similar words.

Does trull have anything to do with fishing?

Anything at all?

[Martin Ambuhl]

Post by Demetrius Zeluff

Post by Martin Ambuhl
Add "trull" to your list of similar words.

Does trull have anything to do with fishing?
Anything at all?

Consider the trulls in Hamburg hitting up the Limey sailor-boys, who
then took the word home with them.

[Skitt]

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?

No.

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?

No.

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

Yes. (I see that someone already mentioned your spelling error.)

Use the online AHD4 to find out more.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/

[Demetrius Zeluff]

Post by Skitt

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?

[snip]

Post by Skitt
Use the online AHD4 to find out more.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/

Thank you for the useful link, and for the answers.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Hello,
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?
Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?
Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

[david56]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Demetrius Zeluff
Hello,
Is 'troll' derived from 'trawl'?
Or is 'trawl' derived from 'troll'?
Or perhaps the words have a seperate history?

Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes
Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

How familiar are you with fishing contexts?

It's certainly in my UK dictionary.

[david56]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes
Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

How familiar are you with fishing contexts?
It's certainly in my UK dictionary.

Averagely familiar - I used to do a bit of fishing on the canal when
I was a teenager, and I know a bit about inshore fishing in small
boats from my childhood summers at the Norfolk coast. And I used to
be a sailing instructor. I just hadn't heard this before.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes
Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

How familiar are you with fishing contexts?
It's certainly in my UK dictionary.

Averagely familiar - I used to do a bit of fishing on the canal when
I was a teenager, and I know a bit about inshore fishing in small
boats from my childhood summers at the Norfolk coast. And I used to
be a sailing instructor. I just hadn't heard this before.

My first (and only) experience of deep sea fishing was when I was about 9
years old. We went out of Durban harbour in a fishing boat and went trolling.
I didn't hear it called that at the time, but that's what it was. Baited lines
were hung over the side of the boat while it sailed out to sea. It was a
commercial fishing boart, and it was using commercial fishing methods. I don't
think it';s used in recreational fishing, any more than trawling is. At least
I've never seen it done.

[Ray Heindl]

Post by Steve Hayes
My first (and only) experience of deep sea fishing was when I was
about 9 years old. We went out of Durban harbour in a fishing boat
and went trolling. I didn't hear it called that at the time, but
that's what it was. Baited lines were hung over the side of the
boat while it sailed out to sea. It was a commercial fishing
boart, and it was using commercial fishing methods. I don't think
it';s used in recreational fishing, any more than trawling is. At
least I've never seen it done.

Many recreational fishing boats in the US are equipped with small
auxiliary motors, often electric, called "trolling motors", so I
presume the technique is used here. But I don't know that I've ever
actually seen it being done; trolling motors are usually used to slowly
move along a river while casting in the ordinary way.

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Ray Heindl

Post by Steve Hayes
My first (and only) experience of deep sea fishing was when I was
about 9 years old. We went out of Durban harbour in a fishing boat
and went trolling. I didn't hear it called that at the time, but
that's what it was. Baited lines were hung over the side of the
boat while it sailed out to sea. It was a commercial fishing
boart, and it was using commercial fishing methods. I don't think
it';s used in recreational fishing, any more than trawling is. At
least I've never seen it done.

Many recreational fishing boats in the US are equipped with small
auxiliary motors, often electric, called "trolling motors", so I
presume the technique is used here. But I don't know that I've ever
actually seen it being done; trolling motors are usually used to slowly
move along a river while casting in the ordinary way.

Ah, so it is done there too.

And the name of the motor shows that the term must be fairly well known, at
least in fishing circles.

[Tony Cooper]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Ray Heindl
Many recreational fishing boats in the US are equipped with small
auxiliary motors, often electric, called "trolling motors", so I
presume the technique is used here. But I don't know that I've ever
actually seen it being done; trolling motors are usually used to slowly
move along a river while casting in the ordinary way.

Ah, so it is done there too.
And the name of the motor shows that the term must be fairly well known, at
least in fishing circles.

The trolling motor may be used by fishermen when trolling, but the
most common use is just using it to move around in shallow water. A
bass boat, for example, may have a trolling motor so the owner can
move from place to place in the shallow water. The bass fisherman
stops the boat and casts from one location.

[Armond Perretta]

Post by Tony Cooper
The trolling motor may be used by fishermen when trolling, but the
most common use is just using it to move around in shallow water...

A "trolling motor" is also heavily used in salt water sport fishing. The
typically boat outfitted this way is 20 to 30 feet in length,
outboard-powered, and features a small outboard mounted to one side at the
stern. The auxiliary outboard is used to troll in salt water, where the
depth of the water is only an incidental consideration.

[Mike Lyle]

[...]

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes
Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

The fishing T and T are differently derived. In British fishing
trolling generally means towing a lure behind a boat; I've also read
somewhere that it can mean a kind of spinning from the shore, but
can't remember how it differed from just spinning.

Mike.

[Ray Heindl]

Post by Mike Lyle
The fishing T and T are differently derived. In British fishing
trolling generally means towing a lure behind a boat; I've also
read somewhere that it can mean a kind of spinning from the shore,
but can't remember how it differed from just spinning.

The RHUD refers to "working the line up or down with a rod, as in
fishing for pike". But I've seen lots of people working the line up
and down while fishing for pike (northern or walleye), and I've never
thought of it as trolling.

[Dr Robin Bignall]

Post by Mike Lyle
[...]

Post by david56

Post by Steve Hayes
Trawling uses nets while trolling uses lines.

I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

The fishing T and T are differently derived. In British fishing
trolling generally means towing a lure behind a boat; I've also read
somewhere that it can mean a kind of spinning from the shore, but
can't remember how it differed from just spinning.

I used to troll for mackerel from the quay side by throwing a line with
many hooks out as far as possible into the shoal, and then dragging it back
as quickly as possible. The 'bait' was just slivers of silver paper wrapped
around the hooks, and one had to catch the shoal just as it came inshore. A
good catch was half a dozen fish at one go. The locals (in Kent) called
that 'trolling', even though no boat was involved. I've also trolled the
conventional way, from a fast boat off Boca.

[Professor Redwine]

Post by david56
I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

That's a first for me. My initial reaction was to think you had dropped an
S somewhere in the course of your stroll, but I begin to suspect you
really mean it. Indeed, M-W Online gives it as "to move around" and links
to "ramble". One learns so much when trawling through this ng, especially
when one learns to avoid the trolls.

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Professor Redwine

Post by david56
I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

That's a first for me. My initial reaction was to think you had dropped an
S somewhere in the course of your stroll, but I begin to suspect you
really mean it. Indeed, M-W Online gives it as "to move around" and links
to "ramble". [...]

My Collins desk dictionary supports David, going so far as to call it
'homosexual slang'. My take on that is that there's an implication of
strolling about dragging a lure to see what one can catch.

Mike.

[david56]

Post by Professor Redwine

Post by david56
I never heard troll used in a fishing context in the UK. The only
verbal use of troll I can recall means a sort of ambling walk and is
probably palari.

That's a first for me. My initial reaction was to think you had dropped an
S somewhere in the course of your stroll, but I begin to suspect you
really mean it. Indeed, M-W Online gives it as "to move around" and links
to "ramble". One learns so much when trawling through this ng, especially
when one learns to avoid the trolls.

Indeed, I really mean it.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/fabulosa/page6.htm