mud room

Hello!

What exactly is a mud room in a house?

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LionelEdwards

2024-11-03 15:59:51 UTC

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.

Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

jerryfriedman

2024-11-03 16:16:58 UTC

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.
Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

I don't think it counts as a mud room unless it has a
door to the outside, but I'll defer to those with
more experience.

--
Jerry Friedman

LionelEdwards

2024-11-03 16:47:06 UTC

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.
Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

I don't think it counts as a mud room unless it has a
door to the outside, but I'll defer to those with
more experience.

Of course. If you had to tramp mud through the house
to get to the mud-room, that would defeat its object.

It would also defeat its subject :)

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-03 18:27:06 UTC

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.
Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

I don't think it counts as a mud room unless it has a
door to the outside, but I'll defer to those with
more experience.

Of course. If you had to tramp mud through the house
to get to the mud-room, that would defeat its object.
It would also defeat its subject :)

Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely of
mud brick.
I think they would have needed some other term.

--
Sam Plusnet

wugi

2024-11-03 20:54:30 UTC

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.
Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

I don't think it counts as a mud room unless it has a
door to the outside, but I'll defer to those with
more experience.

Of course. If you had to tramp mud through the house
to get to the mud-room, that would defeat its object.
It would also defeat its subject :)

Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely of
mud brick.
I think they would have needed some other term.

An unmud-room? Where to rub off the mud of your house ;)

--
guido wugi

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-03 21:17:49 UTC

Post by wugi

Post by Marco Moock
Hello!
What exactly is a mud room in a house?

The other thread explains this in detail. It is a
room, usually off the kitchen, called a "utility"
in BrE, that you can conveniently bring muddy dogs
and muddy wellies into - to clean off and avoid
tramping the mud into the house.
Often it will include cupboard space and facilities
for freezers, washers and other "utilities".

I don't think it counts as a mud room unless it has a
door to the outside, but I'll defer to those with
more experience.

Of course. If you had to tramp mud through the house
to get to the mud-room, that would defeat its object.
It would also defeat its subject :)

Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely of
mud brick.
I think they would have needed some other term.

An unmud-room? Where to rub off the mud of your house ;)

Could they muddle through without a mud room?

--
Sam Plusnet

Peter Moylan

2024-11-03 23:50:02 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to build
a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice toolshed and
the other side was the chook yard. It was the most luxurious chook yard
I've ever seen.

My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement. He
spent years making enough cement bricks to build a garage. Through much
of my childhood we played on that pile of bricks. When dad finally built
his garage, he discovered that the brick pile was full of tiger snakes.

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Silvano

2024-11-04 07:43:16 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to build
a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice toolshed and
the other side was the chook yard. It was the most luxurious chook yard
I've ever seen.
My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement. He
spent years making enough cement bricks to build a garage. Through much
of my childhood we played on that pile of bricks. When dad finally built
his garage, he discovered that the brick pile was full of tiger snakes.

Do you mean the children risked their lives for years or your tiger
snakes are not these snakes?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_snake>

Peter Moylan

2024-11-04 11:02:40 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built
entirely of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other
term.

My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to
build a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice
toolshed and the other side was the chook yard. It was the most
luxurious chook yard I've ever seen.
My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement.
He spent years making enough cement bricks to build a garage.
Through much of my childhood we played on that pile of bricks.
When dad finally built his garage, he discovered that the brick
pile was full of tiger snakes.

Do you mean the children risked their lives for years or your tiger
snakes are not these snakes?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_snake>

Those are the ones. Of course we didn't know they were there until
afterwards. We did know that there were tiger snakes in the region,
because we sometimes saw them in the nearby bush. The two most common
snakes in that region were the tiger snake and the eastern brown snake,
both highly venomous.

Where I now live, the most common snake is the red-bellied black snake,
which is less venomous.

While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on Wikipedia.
"Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]". Someone must
think that that extra inch matters.

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-04 13:42:45 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built
entirely of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other
term.

My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to
build a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice
toolshed and the other side was the chook yard. It was the most
luxurious chook yard I've ever seen.
My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement.
He spent years making enough cement bricks to build a garage.
Through much of my childhood we played on that pile of bricks.
When dad finally built his garage, he discovered that the brick
pile was full of tiger snakes.

Do you mean the children risked their lives for years or your tiger
snakes are not these snakes?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_snake>

Those are the ones. Of course we didn't know they were there until
afterwards.

Anyway, you seem to have survived.

Post by Peter Moylan
We did know that there were tiger snakes in the region,
because we sometimes saw them in the nearby bush. The two most common
snakes in that region were the tiger snake and the eastern brown snake,
both highly venomous.
Where I now live, the most common snake is the red-bellied black snake,
which is less venomous.
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on Wikipedia.
"Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]". Someone must
think that that extra inch matters.

Or someone used a website (for example
https://calculat.io/en/length/meters-to-feet/1.25) to
convert 1.25 m to feet and inches, and misinterpreted 4.1 feet to mean
4 ft 1 in.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-04 15:03:45 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Or someone used a website (for example
https://calculat.io/en/length/meters-to-feet/1.25) to
convert 1.25 m to feet and inches,

That page says first:

1.25 Meter = 4ft 1.21in′

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-04 15:05:01 UTC

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Or someone used a website (for example
https://calculat.io/en/length/meters-to-feet/1.25) to
convert 1.25 m to feet and inches,

1.25 Meter = 4ft 1.21in′

I know, but if you look a little lower it says 4.1.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Garrett Wollman

2024-11-04 16:50:13 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on Wikipedia.
"Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]". Someone must
think that that extra inch matters.

Or someone used a website (for example

Indeed, someone used a web site: Wikipedia.

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Averaging around {{convert|1.25|m|abbr=on}} in length,

As you might imagine, the {{convert}} template is extremely
complicated and has voluminous documentation:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Convert/doc>. There is
certainly an option to round the conversion properly, but it seems
likely that the editor didn't want to take the time to figure out how
to do it.

(If I had been me, I would also have written "125 cm" rather than
"1.25 m" as the latter suggests more precision than seems warranted,
despite the two representations being formally equivalent. So I think
that should have been {{convert|125|cm|ft|0}} but I can't easily test
that right now.)

-GAWollman

--
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***@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

Adam Funk

2024-11-05 09:34:14 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built
entirely of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other
term.

My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to
build a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice
toolshed and the other side was the chook yard. It was the most
luxurious chook yard I've ever seen.
My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement.
He spent years making enough cement bricks to build a garage.
Through much of my childhood we played on that pile of bricks.
When dad finally built his garage, he discovered that the brick
pile was full of tiger snakes.

Do you mean the children risked their lives for years or your tiger
snakes are not these snakes?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_snake>

Those are the ones. Of course we didn't know they were there until
afterwards. We did know that there were tiger snakes in the region,
because we sometimes saw them in the nearby bush. The two most common
snakes in that region were the tiger snake and the eastern brown snake,
both highly venomous.
Where I now live, the most common snake is the red-bellied black snake,
which is less venomous.
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on Wikipedia.
"Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]". Someone must
think that that extra inch matters.

I guess it depends on what the precision of the original length was;
if it was ±1 cm, then the inch is less precise; if it was ±5 cm (seems
more likely to me), then the inch is close enough for rock'n'roll; if
it was ±25 cm, then IMO it's misleading and the original should have
been rounded to "1.2 m".

--
Check that heavy metal
Underneath your hood

Peter Moylan

2024-11-05 10:16:00 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on
Wikipedia. "Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]".
Someone must think that that extra inch matters.

I guess it depends on what the precision of the original length was;
if it was ±1 cm, then the inch is less precise; if it was ±5 cm
(seems more likely to me), then the inch is close enough for
rock'n'roll; if it was ±25 cm, then IMO it's misleading and the
original should have been rounded to "1.2 m".

Some people, including me, might argue that 1.25 is a "rounder" number
than 1.2. The person who supplied the figure probably said "one and a
quarter metre".

The more important point, though, is that we're not stating the length
of an individual snake. The given figure is an average. I've seen snakes
of that species as small as 10 cm and as long as 2 m. Given that
variability, the precision of the average is not terribly interesting.

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Adam Funk

2024-11-05 15:26:39 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on
Wikipedia. "Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]".
Someone must think that that extra inch matters.

I guess it depends on what the precision of the original length was;
if it was ±1 cm, then the inch is less precise; if it was ±5 cm
(seems more likely to me), then the inch is close enough for
rock'n'roll; if it was ±25 cm, then IMO it's misleading and the
original should have been rounded to "1.2 m".

Some people, including me, might argue that 1.25 is a "rounder" number
than 1.2. The person who supplied the figure probably said "one and a
quarter metre".

This may be one of the weaknesses of the convention that metric
measurements are written as decimals rather than fractions. I was
taught to see "1.25 m" and think "3 significant digits", but that was
for exercises in textbooks.

Post by Peter Moylan
The more important point, though, is that we're not stating the length
of an individual snake. The given figure is an average. I've seen snakes
of that species as small as 10 cm and as long as 2 m. Given that
variability, the precision of the average is not terribly interesting.

True. Maybe "around 1.25 m (around 4 ft) in length" would be better.

--
So you say I got a funny face
I ain't got no worries
And I don't know why
And I don't know why

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-05 18:02:42 UTC

Post by Peter Moylan
While writing that, I looked up the red-bellied black on
Wikipedia. "Averaging around 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in) in length [...]".
Someone must think that that extra inch matters.

I guess it depends on what the precision of the original length was;
if it was ±1 cm, then the inch is less precise; if it was ±5 cm
(seems more likely to me), then the inch is close enough for
rock'n'roll; if it was ±25 cm, then IMO it's misleading and the
original should have been rounded to "1.2 m".

Some people, including me, might argue that 1.25 is a "rounder" number
than 1.2. The person who supplied the figure probably said "one and a
quarter metre".

True. Maybe "around 1.25 m (around 4 ft) in length" would be better.

"That would make a nice belt." said the portly snake-hunter.

--
Sam Plusnet

occam

2024-11-04 11:09:49 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Post by Peter Moylan
My grandfather was an expert at making mud bricks. He used them to build
a building in his back yard, where one side was a very nice toolshed and
the other side was the chook yard. It was the most luxurious chook yard
I've ever seen.
My father inherited the skill, but he made his bricks from cement.

Those would surely not be classified as 'mud bricks'. The mud bricks I
am familiar with also have straw in the mix, to help the mud bind
better. They are surprisingly resistant to water erosion.

Hibou

2024-11-05 13:45:19 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
related to 'vestment':

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>

So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

Phil

2024-11-05 17:45:06 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

--
Phil B

Phil

2024-11-05 17:47:11 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

--
Phil B

occam

2024-11-05 18:55:03 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

jerryfriedman

2024-11-05 19:58:32 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.

The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

--
Jerry Friedman

Ross Clark

2024-11-05 20:20:29 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.
--
Jerry Friedman

But...a buttery is not for butter, but butts (of sack, malmsey etc.).

charles

2024-11-05 21:45:03 UTC

Post by Ross Clark

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiò', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.
--
Jerry Friedman

But...a buttery is not for butter, but butts (of sack, malmsey etc.).

or, as I was told a historic house in Wales: It's "Boire" terri -
where you keep the things you drink.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-06 01:17:27 UTC

Post by Ross Clark

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.
--
Jerry Friedman

But...a buttery is not for butter, but butts (of sack, malmsey etc.).

But not your sackbuts.

--
Sam Plusnet

occam

2024-11-06 07:37:54 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

Hibou

2024-11-06 08:20:18 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

charles

2024-11-06 09:45:02 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Adam Funk

2024-11-06 16:40:07 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

--
The [music] business would be a good thing, except that it's
dominated by drug addicts and businessmen. ---Tom Scholz

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-06 17:08:19 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is Nooduitgang,
in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood emphatically does
not.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Aidan Kehoe

2024-11-06 21:59:10 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is Nooduitgang, in
which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood emphatically does not.

It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need, emergency? It
isn’t a calque of Notausgang? Is it an exit perhaps for big noodles, that don’t
need the diminutive?

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

Peter Moylan

2024-11-06 23:16:14 UTC

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isn’t a calque of Notausgang? Is it an exit perhaps for
big noodles, that don’t need the diminutive?

Dutch Nood does indeed mean emergency, but that's not obvious to English
speakers.

One thing I learnt from my times in Belgium is that all roads lead to
Uitrit ... except for the ones that go to Sortie.

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

occam

2024-11-07 10:12:22 UTC

Post by Aidan Kehoe

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isn’t a calque of Notausgang? Is it an exit perhaps for
big noodles, that don’t need the diminutive?

Dutch Nood does indeed mean emergency, but that's not obvious to English
speakers.
One thing I learnt from my times in Belgium is that all roads lead to
Uitrit ... except for the ones that go to Sortie.

<smile> Yes, been there, done that. 'Utrecht' always pops to mind.

Clearly one must use one's noodle in the Netherlands in case of fire.
Thankfully these words are hardly ever by themselves. They always come
with some accompanying graphic (flame/doorway, in this case).

https://images.app.goo.gl/5K42cZmcpjNL6KTq7

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-07 11:00:28 UTC

Post by occam
Clearly one must use one's noodle in the Netherlands in case of fire.
Thankfully these words are hardly ever by themselves. They always come
with some accompanying graphic (flame/doorway, in this case).
https://images.app.goo.gl/5K42cZmcpjNL6KTq7

You'd see pretty much the same pictures if you search for "nødudgang".

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

J. J. Lodder

2024-11-09 19:55:29 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesn't correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isn't a calque of Notausgang? Is it an exit perhaps for
big noodles, that don't need the diminutive?

Dutch Nood does indeed mean emergency, but that's not obvious to English
speakers.

Unless they see that Dutch 'nood'
is cognate with English 'need'.

Post by Peter Moylan
One thing I learnt from my times in Belgium is that all roads lead to
Uitrit ... except for the ones that go to Sortie.

Ultimately they all lead to 'Uscita',
which is just another name for Rome,

Jan

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-07 06:09:49 UTC

Post by Aidan Kehoe

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is Nooduitgang, in
which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood emphatically does not.

It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need, emergency? It
isn’t a calque of Notausgang?

It is, and in Danish "nødudgang".

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-07 08:10:55 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is Nooduitgang, in
which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood emphatically does not.

It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need, emergency? It
isn’t a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

Post by Phil
Is it an exit perhaps for big noodles, that don’t
need the diminutive?

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

charles

2024-11-07 08:30:02 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the
drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesnt correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isnt a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-07 08:35:04 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesnt correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isnt a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Adam Funk

2024-11-07 12:05:58 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesnt correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isnt a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

Google Translate says those are "login" and "logout" --- is that
right?

--
With the breakdown of the medieval system, the gods of chaos, lunacy,
and bad taste gained ascendancy. ---Ignatius J Reilly

Silvano

2024-11-07 13:04:50 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

Google Translate says those are "login" and "logout" --- is that
right?

Perhaps. Words can have more than one meaning. What Athel saw there is
called in English entrance and exit.

<https://dict.leo.org/russian-english/вход>
<https://dict.leo.org/russian-english/вы́ход>
Here you can find other suggested translations from an online dictionary.

Also, from the English Wikipedia you can change the language to Russian
and find among others Логин — идентификатор пользователя (учётной
записи) в компьютерных системах.
Therefore I think that Google Translate is wrong, but IIRC there's a man
of Russian descent among AUE readers.

Adam Funk

2024-11-07 14:38:24 UTC

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

Google Translate says those are "login" and "logout" --- is that
right?

Perhaps. Words can have more than one meaning. What Athel saw there is
called in English entrance and exit.

That makes more sense in the context.

Post by Silvano
<https://dict.leo.org/russian-english/вход>
<https://dict.leo.org/russian-english/вы́ход>
Here you can find other suggested translations from an online dictionary.
Also, from the English Wikipedia you can change the language to Russian
and find among others Логин — идентификатор пользователя (учётной
записи) в компьютерных системах.
Therefore I think that Google Translate is wrong, but IIRC there's a man
of Russian descent among AUE readers.

--
rise to claim Saturn, ring and sky

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-11-07 15:18:28 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesnt correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isnt a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

Google Translate says those are "login" and "logout" --- is that
right?

Could be, but I've met than as "way in" and "way out". If Выход is
stressed on the ы then they will be easily distinguished in speech.
Correct stress is as important and unpredictable in Russian as it is in
English, so maybe not.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Adam Funk

2024-11-08 12:42:53 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the

pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the
drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is
Nooduitgang, in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood
emphatically does not.

It doesnt correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need,
emergency? It isnt a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

I remember being confused by Вход and Выход in Russia, which look as if
they mean more or less the same thing, but don't.

Google Translate says those are "login" and "logout" --- is that
right?

I'll take your word for it --- I don't know much about Russian.

--
I take no pleasure in being right in my dark predictions about the
fate of our military intervention in the heart of the Muslim world. It
is immensely depressing to me. Nobody likes to be betting against the
Home team, no matter how hopeless they are. ---Hunter S Thompson

Aidan Kehoe

2024-11-07 09:00:51 UTC

Post by charles
I remember seeing "Exodus" in a Greek church

It’s also the usual word for a motorway exit, which fascinated me.

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-07 09:08:32 UTC

Post by Aidan Kehoe
It doesn’t correspond to German Not, meaning time of great need, emergency? It
isn’t a calque of Notausgang?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing Notausgang in German hotels, but I do
remember seeing Nooduitgang in Dutch hotels.

I tried an Ngram with "Notausgang". I pressed return before changing
language, and then I discovered that the word exists in English or at
least appears since 1900 with a rise in 2010 (seven 0s).

It's quite common in German, but when I search for "Hotel Notausgang"
then mostly only icons appear. Most text signs say "EXIT" and a few
"Notausgang".

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Adam Funk

2024-11-07 12:08:37 UTC

Post by charles
and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

A confusing one that one sometimes sees in Dutch hotels is Nooduitgang,
in which uitgang means what one would guess, but Nood emphatically does
not.

After dinner in the Netherlands with a Dutch colleague, I started
following him out & said "we can't go out that way" & pointed at the
sign on the door he was going towards. He asked, "Can you read that?"
& I said, "sure, it's just like German", then pronounced something in
between "nooduitgang" & "notausgang", which made him wince.

--
Check that heavy metal
Underneath your hood

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-07 14:20:08 UTC

Post by Adam Funk
After dinner in the Netherlands with a Dutch colleague, I started
following him out & said "we can't go out that way" & pointed at the
sign on the door he was going towards. He asked, "Can you read that?"
& I said, "sure, it's just like German", then pronounced something in
between "nooduitgang" & "notausgang", which made him wince.

"Ui" is a special diphthong in Dutch.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Adam Funk

2024-11-07 14:38:49 UTC

Post by Bertel Lund Hansen

"Ui" is a special diphthong in Dutch.

I know --- that just added to the fun!

--
He [Nixon] is the president of every place in this country which
does not have a bookstore. ---Murray Kempton

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-06 18:50:11 UTC

Post by Phil
So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

.... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And our animals in the den.
The larder is in fact where you keep your lard, including
bacon.

Likewise, the jams and conserves are kept in the conservatory.

At least we've stopped washing our hands in the lavatory.

and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

Stupid sign. Can flames read?

--
Sam Plusnet

Bertel Lund Hansen

2024-11-07 06:10:46 UTC

Post by charles
and there's always the vomitorium, but no longer in modern housing,

"fire exit"

Stupid sign. Can flames read?

Of course they can. They can consume enormous amounts of texts in no
time at all.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Sam Plusnet

2024-11-06 01:19:40 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

Your Kitsch artwork in the kitchen?

Landingcraft on the landing?

--
Sam Plusnet

Phil

2024-11-06 01:43:23 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

Your Kitsch artwork in the kitchen?
Landingcraft on the landing?

I left the landing light on when I went out last night. When I came
home, the house was full of aeroplanes.

--
Phil B

Hibou

2024-11-06 06:54:41 UTC

Post by Hibou
Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

And dogs in the dogging room.

lar3ryca

2024-11-07 05:59:44 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

... our secrets in the sacristy and our drawers in the drawing room.

--
If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pyjamas, and smoke
in a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker?

Anders D. Nygaard

2024-11-06 18:37:28 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

And our skulls in the scullery?

/Anders, Denmark

Anders D. Nygaard

2024-11-06 19:18:56 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vestiō', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

And our skulls in the scullery?

Oops - should have read ahead.

/Anders, Denmark

J. J. Lodder

2024-11-06 21:23:15 UTC

Post by Anders D. Nygaard

Post by Sam Plusnet
Those very early cities in Mesopotamia seemed to be built entirely
of mud brick. I think they would have needed some other term.

'Vestibule' in modern homes. In ancient times removing one's shoes was
a common custom on entering a home. This is becoming a trend in modern
times. It is de rigueur in the occam household.

Wiktionary links 'vestibule' to 'vesti?', to dress, and says it's
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vestibule>
So it's a place for vesting and divesting.

A vestry, then.

So we can keep our vests in the vestry and our pants in the pantry...

And our skulls in the scullery?

Certainly not, skulls should be kept in a cupboard,
together with the rest of the skeleton there.
Unless they fall to dust of course,
in which case they should be swept under the carpet,

Jan

Hibou

2024-11-04 11:02:48 UTC