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Martin Niemöller
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Susan Cohen
2024-12-17 04:04:16 UTC
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Michael Ejercito
2024-12-17 04:07:26 UTC
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!


Michael
Peter Moylan
2024-12-17 05:27:29 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
One line altered, but otherwise it seems to be a faithful reproduction
of the 1946 version.
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Susan Cohen
2024-12-18 02:04:14 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
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Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
Michael Ejercito
2024-12-19 12:59:44 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
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Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
You sure have a problem with slant eyes!


Michael
RichA
2024-12-20 02:38:27 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
You sure have a problem with slant eyes!
Michael
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Susan Cohen
2024-12-20 04:41:30 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
You sure have a problem with slant eyes!
There's a place for everything, and the place for slanted eyes is not
here in America. Go back to whatever Asiatic shit hole you crawled out
from under and please, take that Quack gook with you.
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Michael
Michael Ejercito
2024-12-20 15:55:21 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 04:59:44 -0800, Michael Ejercito
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On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
You sure have a problem with slant eyes!
There's a place for everything, and the place for slanted eyes is not
here in America. Go back to whatever Asiatic shit hole you crawled out
from under and please, take that Quack gook with you.
Over a billion people regularly wake up to a pair of slant eyes
every morning.

Mark Zuckerberg is one of them.

The woman in this picture if another one of them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsQV2EMu0I1/?img_index=1

No wonder you are so jealous!



Michael
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2024-12-20 17:25:23 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 04:59:44 -0800, Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Susan Cohen
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:07:26 -0800, Michael Ejercito
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)
Fake quote!
Michael
How would a slant-eyed dimwit like you know? You follow a quack for
medical and spiritual advice, and get all your information from apes.
I posted this to AUE and some intelligent person pointed out that
Communist was substituted for Socialist at some point. I would say
perhaps that's what you were thinking but your pea-brain wouldn't have
known that.
You sure have a problem with slant eyes!
There's a place for everything, and the place for slanted eyes is not
here in America. Go back to whatever Asiatic shit hole you crawled out
from under and please, take that Quack gook with you.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Michael
i'm afraid you're all immigrants so bye bye

Cune I. Form
2024-12-17 06:02:02 UTC
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"First they
I'm trying to understand why someone hasn't caved in your
head with a heavy tire iron.

Hope it happens soon.
Steve Hayes
2024-12-17 09:35:42 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
look at all authentic. Here's the one I've seen most often:


First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

But what is the English usage question?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Peter Moylan
2024-12-17 10:14:33 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
That's just the Niemöller original, with the "Communist" part tacked on
to the beginning. Which, I agree, does improve the flow of it.
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But what is the English usage question?
You won't get an answer to that. The fact that it was posted to a couple
of crank groups suggest to me that the OP probably doesn't even read AUE.
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Susan Cohen
2024-12-18 01:55:16 UTC
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
That's just the Niemöller original, with the "Communist" part tacked on
to the beginning. Which, I agree, does improve the flow of it.
Post by Steve Hayes
But what is the English usage question?
You won't get an answer to that. The fact that it was posted to a couple
of crank groups suggest to me that the OP probably doesn't even read AUE.
Why would you think that? I don't post often but there's always a
reason when I do. It certainly wasn't to offend you.
Steve Hayes
2024-12-19 06:59:57 UTC
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
That's just the Niemöller original, with the "Communist" part tacked on
to the beginning. Which, I agree, does improve the flow of it.
Neither of them is the Niemoller original, but the "Communist" part
certainly wasn't "tacked on". Historically, the Nazis did first go for
the Communists, then for the Sozis.

Niemoller made that point several times when he was on the
international speaking circuit, not always with the same form of
words. The examples given are digests of what he was in the habit of
saying, but when he said it, he usually began with the Communists.

And much the same thing happened in South Africa. When the National
Party came to power in 1948, they first went for the communists, and
the Suppression of Communism Act (Act 44 of 1950) was the result of
their efforts.

Niemoller toured South Africa at one point and spoke in several towns,
and most of his speeches included that point, but he didn't use
exactly the same wording on every occasion.
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Post by Steve Hayes
But what is the English usage question?
You won't get an answer to that. The fact that it was posted to a couple
of crank groups suggest to me that the OP probably doesn't even read AUE.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Snidely
2024-12-17 11:17:53 UTC
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
But what is the English usage question?
"Is spraying posts grammatical?"

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You could try being nicer and politer
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instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison
occam
2024-12-17 11:34:16 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and just like everybody else, I
did not speak out because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Martin Niemoller (1892 - 1984)
There are several variations of that quotation, and that one doesn't
    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist
    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist
    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew
    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me
But what is the English usage question?
"Is spraying posts grammatical?"
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