Today's WORDLE solution

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE spelling of
solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan Doyle who
is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is in
everyday use in their part of the world.

..

I don't think I've heard it in years, but in my youth it was
around. I didn't hear it literally every day. It surprised me
on Wordle.

--
Jerry Friedman

Madhu

2024-09-17 15:04:58 UTC

Post by jerryfriedman
I don't think I've heard it in years, but in my youth it was
around. I didn't hear it literally every day. It surprised me
on Wordle.

in my youth i think i've heard it in (radio? tv?) cricket commentaries,
when describing aspects of the game, (a shot or a ball or a catch)

I went over to nyt to do the wordle to see this one and got it in 6, (I
do the powerline version, offline daily)

I think it isn't there on the list of of words in the powerline game I
do or on the nyt games i downloaded to study in feb/aug 2022, or apr
2024. (it was on the list of allowed words, but on in the games to be
played)

Madhu

2024-09-17 15:17:30 UTC

ERRATA

Post by Madhu
I went over to nyt to do the wordle to see this one and got it in 6, (I
do the powerline version, offline daily)

www.powerlanguage.org.uk -- not powerline

Post by Madhu
I think it isn't there on the list of of words in the powerline

"powerlanguage", again

Post by Madhu
game I
do or on the nyt games i downloaded to study in feb/aug 2022, or apr
2024. (it was on the list of allowed words, but on in the games to be
played)

occam

2024-09-17 15:29:18 UTC

Post by Madhu

Post by jerryfriedman
I don't think I've heard it in years, but in my youth it was
around. I didn't hear it literally every day. It surprised me
on Wordle.

in my youth i think i've heard it in (radio? tv?) cricket commentaries,
when describing aspects of the game, (a shot or a ball or a catch)

I bet good money that the cricket commentary you were listening to was
done by Australians.

No Lords commentator would use the term.

Snidely

2024-09-18 10:51:02 UTC

..
I don't think I've heard it in years, but in my youth it was
around. I didn't hear it literally every day. It surprised me
on Wordle.

Ah, yes. A common context, IIRC, was nearly-adult males drooling over
cars. Not the only context, of course. Then came rad, bad, sick, etc.
I've lost track of the replacements for the replacements, the
successors of the successors.

/dps

--
We’ve learned way more than we wanted to know about the early history
of American professional basketball, like that you could have once
watched a game between teams named the Indianapolis Kautskys and the
Akron Firestone Non-Skids. -- fivethirtyeight.com

Kerr-Mudd, John

2024-09-18 14:49:14 UTC

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:51:02 -0700

Post by Snidely

..
I don't think I've heard it in years, but in my youth it was
around. I didn't hear it literally every day. It surprised me
on Wordle.

Mega!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

lar3ryca

2024-09-17 17:28:46 UTC

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian woods,
but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

--
We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our
children.
~ Chief Seattle

Peter Moylan

2024-09-18 00:05:03 UTC

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian woods,
but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word is
being discussed.

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

jerryfriedman

2024-09-18 04:07:04 UTC

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian woods,
but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word is
being discussed.

"Beaut".

--
Jerry Friedman

Peter Moylan

2024-09-18 04:45:13 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

occam

2024-09-18 06:48:00 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
what my dictionary describes as:

Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal

1. Brilliant, very good

Tony Cooper

2024-09-18 13:27:05 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

Rich Ulrich

2024-09-18 15:59:43 UTC

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.

There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

--
Rich Ulrich

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-09-18 16:58:14 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

--
Athel cb

Rich Ulrich

2024-09-18 23:50:06 UTC

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:58:14 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

Thanks. When I look in Wikip under antiphrasis, I can't tell see
how they distinguish the two. Also, neither seems to fit the
example as well as I would like.

"This is an ugly black eye" or "This is a beaut of a black eye"
seem to apply the opposite aesthetic judgements. My underlying
problem, I think, is that aesthetics is scarcely relevent to
inspecting the vividly colored black eye. In fact, maybe that's
where the joke lies -- the usual term is 'ugly' but, in fact, we
can admire it as 'beauty'.

The problem is the psychology. Beauty/truth/good/comfort
form the usual cluster, contrasted to ugly/painful/inconvenient.
Invoking a cluster, the black eye belongs to 'ugly' but in specific,
when the black eye draws our admiration, 'beauty' fits better.

It is incongruous to say beautiful (or beaut!). But insightful.
Is there Latin for 'skinny truth'? 'narrowly true'?

--
Rich Ulrich

Sam Plusnet

2024-09-19 18:55:49 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:58:14 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

Thanks. When I look in Wikip under antiphrasis, I can't tell see
how they distinguish the two. Also, neither seems to fit the
example as well as I would like.
"This is an ugly black eye" or "This is a beaut of a black eye"
seem to apply the opposite aesthetic judgements. My underlying
problem, I think, is that aesthetics is scarcely relevent to
inspecting the vividly colored black eye. In fact, maybe that's
where the joke lies -- the usual term is 'ugly' but, in fact, we
can admire it as 'beauty'.
The problem is the psychology. Beauty/truth/good/comfort
form the usual cluster, contrasted to ugly/painful/inconvenient.
Invoking a cluster, the black eye belongs to 'ugly' but in specific,
when the black eye draws our admiration, 'beauty' fits better.
It is incongruous to say beautiful (or beaut!). But insightful.
Is there Latin for 'skinny truth'? 'narrowly true'?

Brings to mind Yeats "A terrible beauty is born".

Snidely

2024-09-19 20:35:35 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:58:14 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

Thanks. When I look in Wikip under antiphrasis, I can't tell see
how they distinguish the two. Also, neither seems to fit the
example as well as I would like.
"This is an ugly black eye" or "This is a beaut of a black eye"
seem to apply the opposite aesthetic judgements. My underlying
problem, I think, is that aesthetics is scarcely relevent to
inspecting the vividly colored black eye. In fact, maybe that's
where the joke lies -- the usual term is 'ugly' but, in fact, we
can admire it as 'beauty'.
The problem is the psychology. Beauty/truth/good/comfort
form the usual cluster, contrasted to ugly/painful/inconvenient.
Invoking a cluster, the black eye belongs to 'ugly' but in specific,
when the black eye draws our admiration, 'beauty' fits better.
It is incongruous to say beautiful (or beaut!). But insightful.
Is there Latin for 'skinny truth'? 'narrowly true'?

Brings to mind Yeats "A terrible beauty is born".

Carrying a terrible swift sword?

/dps "that leaves me awful"

--
Ieri, oggi, domani

Sam Plusnet

2024-09-20 18:32:23 UTC

Post by Snidely

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:58:14 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

Thanks. When I look in Wikip under antiphrasis, I can't tell see
how they distinguish the two. Also, neither seems to fit the
example as well as I would like.
"This is an ugly black eye" or "This is a beaut of a black eye"
seem to apply the opposite aesthetic judgements. My underlying
problem, I think, is that aesthetics is scarcely relevent to
inspecting the vividly colored black eye. In fact, maybe that's
where the joke lies -- the usual term is 'ugly' but, in fact, we
can admire it as 'beauty'.
The problem is the psychology. Beauty/truth/good/comfort
form the usual cluster, contrasted to ugly/painful/inconvenient.
Invoking a cluster, the black eye belongs to 'ugly' but in specific,
when the black eye draws our admiration, 'beauty' fits better.
It is incongruous to say beautiful (or beaut!). But insightful.
Is there Latin for 'skinny truth'? 'narrowly true'?

Brings to mind Yeats "A terrible beauty is born".

Carrying a terrible swift sword?

That seems like they have carried the Merchandising concept too far.
Let them stick to t-shirts, and DVDs.

Post by Snidely
/dps "that leaves me awful"

lar3ryca

2024-09-23 05:42:35 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:58:14 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I disagree. I think that "a beaut of a black eye" is saying the
same as "a very good black eye" -- It feels like this is evoking
irony, but not exactly. "This is a wonderful black eye" could be
said, too, without giving 'wonderful' a contradictory meaning.
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

Apparently it's called "antiphrasis", but that's not a term I was knew
of until today. A similar and more familiar term is "irony", but it's
not quite the same.

Thanks. When I look in Wikip under antiphrasis, I can't tell see
how they distinguish the two. Also, neither seems to fit the
example as well as I would like.
"This is an ugly black eye" or "This is a beaut of a black eye"
seem to apply the opposite aesthetic judgements. My underlying
problem, I think, is that aesthetics is scarcely relevent to
inspecting the vividly colored black eye. In fact, maybe that's
where the joke lies -- the usual term is 'ugly' but, in fact, we
can admire it as 'beauty'.
The problem is the psychology. Beauty/truth/good/comfort
form the usual cluster, contrasted to ugly/painful/inconvenient.
Invoking a cluster, the black eye belongs to 'ugly' but in specific,
when the black eye draws our admiration, 'beauty' fits better.
It is incongruous to say beautiful (or beaut!). But insightful.
Is there Latin for 'skinny truth'? 'narrowly true'?

The black eye is the antecedent (if you will) of 'beaut, not the
ugliness of being a blot on the face of the victim.

--
My wife told me to put ketchup on the shopping list.
I can't read any of it now.

lar3ryca

2024-09-23 05:39:28 UTC

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:27:05 -0400, Tony Cooper

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

I see it as describing the impressiveness of a black eye.
It's not you standard run-of-the-mill slight discolouration, but is a
beaut of a black eye, which could also be described as 'one hell of a
black eye', a 'dandy of a black eye' ' an impressive black eye'.

Post by Rich Ulrich
There's probably a name for this sort of usage, but I don't
know it, or remember a discussion that fits.

--
Can February March? No, but April May.

Ross Clark

2024-09-18 21:12:30 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

It can be used to mean "not good", as in "A beaut of a black eye".

"good of its kind"

jerryfriedman

2024-09-18 13:53:42 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Yes, there have been slang words before (e.g flunk, pesky). But never
Adjective: Beaut
Usage: Austral, NZ, informal
1. Brilliant, very good

In my American experience, it's a noun meaning a beautiful thing.

At Google ngrams, it had a peak in the '50s in both American
and British English.

--
Jerry Friedman

John Armstrong

2024-09-18 06:49:48 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Apparently, though it's very disappointing, and a retrograde step. I
got it on the final turn, and only on the basis that it couldn't (by
then) be anything else. Where I come from, the word is spelled "Bute",
and refers to an island.

Peter Moylan

2024-09-18 10:18:06 UTC

Post by John Armstrong

Post by Peter Moylan
Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

In Australia it's sometimes spelt "beaudy".

--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

lar3ryca

2024-09-18 15:44:22 UTC

Post by occam
After two years of NY Time ownership, I was resigned to AmE
spelling of solutions in WORDLE.
Today's solution caught me unawares. Tip of the cap to Conan
Doyle who is attributed with writing: "When you have eliminated
the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be
the truth."
Tomorrow I would like to ask AmE speakers here if the word is
in everyday use in their part of the world.
(I know what Peter M's answer would be.)

Not everyday use in my current or previous necks of the Canadian
woods, but I have heard it a few times per year, I think.

Can we have the spoiler now, please? I still don't know what word
is being discussed.

"Beaut".

Thanks. I know the word, of course, but I've always thought of it as
slang. Do the Wordle rules allow slang?

Got it in 5, but for the same reason.
Even more disappointing was that today, I could get to the "Did you beat
the bot" screen, but I could not get past a new advertisement offering
to subscribe to the NYT for a mere $180/year.

--
I can resist everything except temptation.
~ Oscar Wilde

Athel Cornish-Bowden

2024-09-18 07:29:37 UTC