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Chud
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Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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What's the difference between a chud, a chauche, a prep and a chav?

I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Blueshirt
3 months ago
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Post by Steve Hayes
What's the difference between a chud, a chauche, a prep and a
chav?
Chud was the name of the drummer in the Misfits from 1995-2000
(ish)... Dr Chud.
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in
the context of toxic masculinity,
Well FWIW, Chud did seem to bang the drums very hard. So maybe
that's where he got his name from?! ;-)
Aidan Kehoe
3 months ago
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Post by Steve Hayes
What's the difference between a chud, a chauche, a prep and a chav?
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
“Chav” is English-of-England, rough equivalent of US “white trash,” but with
its own aesthetic and fashions. Certainly Dublin “skanger” is much the same,
and Belfast “smicks,” probably Scottish “neds.” The choice of clothing varies
from place to place.

I can’t comment on the rest, though was interested to read up just now on
“chud,” which seems to be used in corners of the internet in which I have no
interest.
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How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
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Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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Does Oz "bogan" fit in there somewhere?

I've found that "chud" is derived from the title of a 40-year-old
movie, C.H.U.D. The title of the movie is an abbreviation for
"cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers".

I encountered "chud" on exTwitter where someone was deploring the
abandonment of traditional masculine virtues like honour, courage,
courtesy etc for a new understanding of masculinity , which was simply
being a chud.
Post by Aidan Kehoe
I can’t comment on the rest, though was interested to read up just now on
“chud,” which seems to be used in corners of the internet in which I have no
interest.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
jerryfriedman
3 months ago
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Post by Steve Hayes
What's the difference between a chud, a chauche, a prep and a chav?
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
I've only encountered "prep" and "chav". The only
meaning I know for "prep" as a person is "preppy",
someone who went to an academically and maybe socially
elite private school or someone who adopts the
upper-middle-class styles that are typical or
stereotypical of that group. However, I was recently
told that "preppy" has a new meaning among some
segments of American youth, and I'm not clear on
that meaning.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241225083103/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/24/style/quiz-2024-year-popular-words.html

Anyway, after looking at

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chud

I conclude that it might be near "chav", but it's
very far from wherever "prep" is. As for "chauche",
the Internet isn't helping much.

--
Jerry Friedman

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Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 09:56:31 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
Here it is in the context in which I encountered it on exTwitter:

"one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional
notions of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on
the performance of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Hibou
3 months ago
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
"one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
I take it 'stuck on' here doesn't mean 'enamoured of', but 'baulk at'.
Post by Steve Hayes
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional
notions of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on
the performance of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
I don't see those four qualities as masculine, but as human. Shouldn't
women have them too?

Which is no help in respect of 'chud', I'm afraid. Apparently it's not a
good thing to be.
Tony Cooper
3 months ago
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 09:11:28 +0000, Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
"one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
I take it 'stuck on' here doesn't mean 'enamoured of', but 'baulk at'.
Dunno Steve's meaning, but if I used that phrasing it would mean that
I'm unable to understand the meaning. More than a "baulk", which is a
temporary stoppage, but unable to go further.
Post by Hibou
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional
notions of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on
the performance of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
I don't see those four qualities as masculine, but as human. Shouldn't
women have them too?
Which is no help in respect of 'chud', I'm afraid. Apparently it's not a
good thing to be.
Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 11:59:28 -0500, Tony Cooper
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In my understanding, "baulk at" means refusing to go further, while
"suck on" means unable to go further.

A horse in a show jumping context "baulks at" a jump when it turns
aside and refuses to jump. It gets "stuck on" the jump if it attempts
it many times, but every time it knocks off the top pole.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Tony Cooper
3 months ago
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 09:09:52 +0200, Steve Hayes
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When the horse baulks at a jump, the horse refuses to jump that
obstacle. However, the horse continues on the course and jumps over
the remaining obstacles. The baulk is scored as a "disobedience
fault" and points are deducted.

Sometimes the rider turns the horse after a baulk and has the horse
take another run at the obstacle and jump it.

The horse does not "refuse to go further". It's a temporary stoppage.

"Stuck on" implies repetitive actions or refusual.
Anton Shepelev
3 months ago
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Post by Tony Cooper
When the horse baulks at a jump, the horse refuses to jump
that obstacle. However, the horse continues on the course
and jumps over the remaining obstacles. The baulk is
scored as a "disobedience fault" and points are deducted.
Why the negation? It is an obedience fault, rather, -- the
failure of the horse to obey, or a fault due to
disobedience.
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jerryfriedman
3 months ago
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Post by Hibou
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
"one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
I take it 'stuck on' here doesn't mean 'enamoured of', but 'baulk at'.
Maybe more "can't stop thinking about". "Stuck on"
meaning "enamored of" is still little-known in the
U.S., I believe.
Post by Hibou
Post by Steve Hayes
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional
notions of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on
the performance of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
I don't see those four qualities as masculine, but as human. Shouldn't
women have them too?
That may actually be the point. As men gradually
noticed that woman could have those qualities,
maybe some didn't have many good qualities left to
think of as masculine and preferred to fall back
on crudeness. Maybe some didn't see the
alternative of not worrying about being
masculine.

(I'm exaggerating to go along with the original
comment. Generosity, at least, was considered
available to women as well as men. But I think
that for women, "honesty" and "honor" were
largely aligned with chastity.)
Post by Hibou
Which is no help in respect of 'chud', I'm afraid. Apparently it's not a
good thing to be.
Chuds probably like it.

--
Jerry Friedman

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Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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Yes, I tend to baulk at the obsession with gender and gender roles. I
can see sex roles -- males aren't built to bear children, for example
-- but for the most part the whole thing about gender roles escapes
me. When our children were growing up we allowed or encouraged them to
do whatever they were interested in and weren't bothered by which
interestes or activities were supposed by some to be more suitable for
boys or girls.
Post by jerryfriedman
(I'm exaggerating to go along with the original
comment. Generosity, at least, was considered
available to women as well as men. But I think
that for women, "honesty" and "honor" were
largely aligned with chastity.)
Post by Hibou
Which is no help in respect of 'chud', I'm afraid. Apparently it's not a
good thing to be.
Chuds probably like it.
--
Jerry Friedman
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Rich Ulrich
3 months ago
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"Baby, I'm stuck on you" is in my head. Pop-music-known?

"Stuck on you" is by Lionel Richie, 1983.

OTOH, "stuck on the idea" brings up "stymied by" or
"obsessed by" before I get to "enamored of" .
--
Rich Ulrich
Sam Plusnet
3 months ago
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Some kind of lubricant/super glue mix up?
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Sam Plusnet
Joy Beeson
3 months ago
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Post by jerryfriedman
"Stuck on"
meaning "enamored of" is still little-known in the
U.S., I believe.
A few years back a commercial with the jingle "I'm stuck on Bandaid
'cause Bandaid's stuck on me" ran on US television.
--
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some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at centurylink dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
jerryfriedman
2 months ago
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Post by Joy Beeson
Post by jerryfriedman
"Stuck on"
meaning "enamored of" is still little-known in the
U.S., I believe.
A few years back a commercial with the jingle "I'm stuck on Bandaid
'cause Bandaid's stuck on me" ran on US television.
Good point, but I don't think I've ever heard it in
any other context.

I remember that jingle from fifty or more years ago.
Is that covered by your "a few years"?

--
Jerry Friedman

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Peter Moylan
2 months ago
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Post by Joy Beeson
A few years back a commercial with the jingle "I'm stuck on
Bandaid 'cause Bandaid's stuck on me" ran on US television.
Good point, but I don't think I've ever heard it in any other
context.
I remember that jingle from fifty or more years ago. Is that covered
by your "a few years"?
Bandaids have evolved over time. Fifty years ago we had "Tear off end,
pull string down". The string is now gone, and getting a bandaid out of
its packaging is a major challenge. While you're being careful to keep
the wound site sterile, it is almost impossible to avoid touching the
bandaid in places that shouldn't be touched.
--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Rich Ulrich
2 months ago
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A few years ago, I had trouble getting bandaids open. Then I
recognized that a big part of MYroblem might be that my
box of bandaids had sat on the shelf for more than 10 years --
and the easy-detach glues had frozen over time.

New purchases, I opened without much problem after reading
the instructions on where to pull.

For some weeks, I was covering several lesions, several times
a day. Eventually, I discovered that I was happier with the (cheaper)
do-it-yourself solution, patches of gauze held with strips of tape.
--
Rich Ulrich
Athel Cornish-Bowden
2 months ago
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AOL. Lots of packaging is like that today.
--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.
Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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We're reaching the point where much packaging is so modified to be
easily 'recycled'[1], that it now serves its original purpose only to
the minimum possible degree.

[1] There seem to be a number of things which claim to be recyclable but
our Local Authority disagrees.
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Sam Plusnet
Snidely
2 months ago
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I don't think I have any examples at hand. Do you?
[1] There seem to be a number of things which claim to be recyclable but our
Local Authority disagrees.
Manufacturers seem happy to push the burden of recycling onto
consumers.

/dps
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J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Yes, in plutocratic societies like yours.
EU regulations are somewhat better.
They say that you cannot sell packaging.
(the responsiblity for)
Proper recycling of packaging materials
remains a responsibility of the producer,

Jan
(who pays a deposit on plastic bottles)
Chris Elvidge
2 months ago
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I remember (back in the good old days) every bottle sold had a deposit
on it (but not milk bottles?). About 3d IIRC.
Bottles were returned to the retailer, who then returned them to the
wholesaler/supplier to be washed and reused.
But then came recycling - crush the bottles, melt and re-manufacture.
Cheaper for the supplier(?) but not as eco-friendly.
--
Chris Elvidge, England
I WILL NOT CONDUCT MY OWN FIRE DRILLS
Garrett Wollman
2 months ago
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Post by Chris Elvidge
I remember (back in the good old days) every bottle sold had a deposit
on it (but not milk bottles?). About 3d IIRC.
Bottles were returned to the retailer, who then returned them to the
wholesaler/supplier to be washed and reused.
When aluminum cans and plastic bottles came to replace the traditional
glass bottles, one of the selling points (to the manufacturers) was
that they were much lighter and took up less space, greatly reducing
costs of manufacturing and distribution, but not far behind that was
"no need to accept, wash, store, and sterilize returns", with or
without a deposit. There have been a number of health scares
regarding contaminated or improperly sealed food packaging, so the
classic milk bottle with a non-tamper-evident lid was an easy target
for the petroleum industry.

Several states[1] have had a "bottle bill" since the 1970s. The
amount of the deposit varies, as does the beverages to which it
applies. Most common is a 5-cent deposit on bottles used for
pressurized carbonated beverages -- deposits on alcoholic beverages,
juice, milk, and bottled water are fiercely opposed by the industry
and have only been enacted in a few states. Any retailer selling
products covered by the bottle bill is required to both collect the
deposit and accept returns (or arrange with another location nearby to
accept the returns). Here in Massachusetts, the bottlers and
distributors are responsible for netting out the differences among
retailers, with any unclaimed net deposits escheated to the state; the
retailers and distributors also collect a handling fee for each bottle
or can handled, which is bundled into the retail price separately from
the consumer-visible deposit.

There are still dairies supplying milk in traditional glass bottles
(now with tamper-evident seals), and they typically charge their own
private deposits, not part of the mandatory state deposit scheme --
the one around here is $3 per bottle.
Post by Chris Elvidge
But then came recycling - crush the bottles, melt and re-manufacture.
Cheaper for the supplier(?) but not as eco-friendly.
Most retailers here use the Envipco Redeemer brand bottle and can
acceptor to automate payment of deposits: a bank of these machines can
be located outside of the main store footprint, one for each type of
returnable, so homeless people don't bring the bottles they fished out
of the trash inside. (When I was a teenager and worked in a
supermarket, these machines did not exist yet, so in the Front End we
had a "bottle room" where a clerk would have to manually count the
returned bottles, store them for pickup by the distributor, and write
out a refund slip to the customer.) The automatic devices quickly
scan the UPC on the bottle, check against a database of SKUs sold by
the distributors servicing that store, and shred or crush the accepted
ones to save space. All the different distributors' packages are
mixed together in the bins, so the machines have to keep track in some
auditable way of how many of each company's bottles were reduced to
bits.

Many people don't bother to return their deposit-paid bottles for a
refund, since the deposit is worth much less in inflated modern
dollars than it was in the 1970s when first enacted, and instead put
them into their municipal recycling. Homeless people root through
curbside bins looking for returnable bottles, which some cities
prosecute as theft, because the proceeds from "broken" deposits fund
municipal recycling programs.[2] By contrast, when the bottle bills
were first introduced, it was considered a benefit that those same
homeless people would pick up roadside litter for much less reward
than you'd have to pay a public employee to do it.

When I was a Boy Scout, we would regularly do "bottle drives" as
fund-raisers: our parents would drive us around to different
neighborhoods, where we'd knock on doors and ask people to donate
their returnable bottles and cans, which we'd then drive to a big
redemption center that would redeem them in bulk. At a mere five
cents each, such a fundraiser probably wouldn't even pay for itself
today in terms of the adult chaperones' time -- it would be cheaper to
just write a check -- never mind the issue of people not actually
segregating their returnables.

-GAWollman

[1] According to a bottle I checked: Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont,
Connecticut, New York, Iowa, Hawaii, Michigan, Oregon, and California.
Programs in California and Connecticut are weird and work differently
from how I describe.

[2] A returnable bottle or can is a bearer instrument, so the town
recycling contractor is as entitled to get a deposit refund as anyone
else in possession of such containers, and the contract is written
with an assumption of how much revenue will be collected in this way.
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Peter Moylan
2 months ago
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Post by Chris Elvidge
I remember (back in the good old days) every bottle sold had a
deposit on it (but not milk bottles?). About 3d IIRC.
I still remember buying a pint of milk in New Zealand, in about 1970,
for ten cents. Four cents for the milk, six cents for the bottle.
Post by Chris Elvidge
Bottles were returned to the retailer, who then returned them to the
wholesaler/supplier to be washed and reused.
There was an infamous case in Australia, many years ago, where someone
died of arsenic poisoning after drinking Coca-Cola. Someone had used a
Coke bottle for storing pesticide, and then eventually returned the
bottle for the deposit. The Coca-Cola procedures for washing the bottles
turned out to be inadequate.

Yesterday I got $2.80 in my PayPal account for returning drink bottles.
This is done in machines that are scattered around the city. The small
amount is because the deposit is only ten cents per bottle. They need to
increase it to at least fifty cents, maybe even a dollar, to account for
inflation.
--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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I can't recall any bottles (or tins) which have a returnable deposit
here (UK).
On the other hand, our grocery delivery service (Ocado) credit us with
£0.50 for every carrier bag[1] we return.
Just after Christmas our weekly order was pretty small, and we were
returning bags from pre-Christmas, so we got £6 off of a £50-ish bill.

[1] Flimsy 'single use' plastic bags, but we tend to use & reuse them
for all sorts of things.
--
Sam Plusnet
lar3ryca
2 months ago
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I just looked up the deposits refundable at our local depot.

Aluminum and Tin Cans EHF [1] 7¢
Up to 999 ml: 10¢
1L & Over: 25¢

Plastic Bottles & Jugs EHF 8¢
Up to 999 ml: 10¢
1L & Over: 25¢

Clear and Coloured Glass EHF 9¢
Up to 300 ml: 10¢
301-999 ml: 20¢
1L & Over: 40¢

Cartons and Juice Boxes EHF 5¢
Up to 999 ml: 10¢
1L & Over: 25¢

Refillable Beer Bottles No EHF
One size (341 ml): 5¢

[1] Environment Handling Fee

When we bring a large bag of recycling to the depot, we tend to receive
about $7-10 CAD.
Post by Sam Plusnet
On the other hand, our grocery delivery service (Ocado) credit us with
£0.50 for every carrier bag[1] we return.
Just after Christmas our weekly order was pretty small, and we were
returning bags from pre-Christmas, so we got £6 off of a £50-ish bill.
[1] Flimsy 'single use' plastic bags, but we tend to use & reuse them
for all sorts of things.
--
I bought a wig for 25 cents.
It was a small price to pay.
Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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Maybe I should add that, despite the lack of financial incentive,
recycling rates for such things are very high.
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Sam Plusnet
Kerr-Mudd, John
2 months ago
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I beleive there are some small scale (just one town?) trials under way;
we're ridiculously behind many continental schemes - I've seen a
pair of deposit return machines (anti-vending machine?) that scan the
label for approved returnables and issue a credit note to be used
inside the (in this case (AusE) Bottleshop or) Supermarket.
Post by Sam Plusnet
On the other hand, our grocery delivery service (Ocado) credit us with
£0.50 for every carrier bag[1] we return.
Just after Christmas our weekly order was pretty small, and we were
returning bags from pre-Christmas, so we got £6 off of a £50-ish bill.
[1] Flimsy 'single use' plastic bags, but we tend to use & reuse them
for all sorts of things.
We haven't bought a plastic shopping bag in years; we have a stash of
them. And a reserve of sturdier bags for later.

'No, that's not a spare room, it's very nearly fully occupied'.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug
jerryfriedman
2 months ago
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 01:13:10 +0000
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Post by Sam Plusnet
I can't recall any bottles (or tins) which have a returnable deposit
here (UK).
I beleive there are some small scale (just one town?) trials under way;
we're ridiculously behind many continental schemes - I've seen a
pair of deposit return machines (anti-vending machine?)
Emping machine? I'm sure they'd better beware.
Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
that scan the
label for approved returnables and issue a credit note to be used
inside the (in this case (AusE) Bottleshop or) Supermarket.
..

--
Jerry Friedman

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Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
We haven't bought a plastic shopping bag in years; we have a stash of
them. And a reserve of sturdier bags for later.
'No, that's not a spare room, it's very nearly fully occupied'.
Not a spare room, but a room full of spares.
--
Sam Plusnet
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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I can't remember how long ago I saw the first bottle return machine.
It didn't scan labels, it just recognised the bottles by shape.
Deposit carrying bottles have a collar. It rejects foreign ones without.
And it prints a bar-coded recipe, to be scanned on check out.
There is no obligation to buy something.

Beer cans are different,
they do have a bar code that needs to be scanned.
So crushed beer cans cannot be returned.

Jan
Tony Cooper
2 months ago
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There are no bottle deposits in Florida. There are only 10 US states
that have bottle deposit laws. They include California and
Massachusetts, so some here know them well.

I used to see people at the scrap yards with carts full of aluminium
cans. The scrap yards pay 60 cents a pound, so it takes a lot of them
to amount to anything.

I haven't noticed that recently, so there may have been some change in
the law.
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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I remember reading Travis McGee, or his friend Meyer,
commenting that in the olden days (so by now sixty years ago)
you could go snorkling in Florida waters
to see rare beautiful fishes or plants.
'Nowadays' you can go snorkling to see rare brands of beer cans.

Guess it will not have improved in the meantime,

Jan
Silvano
2 months ago
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Post by Peter Moylan
Yesterday I got $2.80 in my PayPal account for returning drink bottles.
This is done in machines that are scattered around the city. The small
amount is because the deposit is only ten cents per bottle. They need to
increase it to at least fifty cents, maybe even a dollar, to account for
inflation.
JFTR, in Germany the deposit is 8, 15 or 25 cents per bottle, depending
on the kind of bottle, and every shop selling bottles with a deposit
must have a machine in its premises (most supermarkets) or take the
bottles and pay the deposit back in person.

Also JFTR, a quick online search tells us that 1.00 AUD = 0.60 EUR.
Therefore I agree with you that a 0.10 AUD deposit is too little, even
if 1.00 AUD is probably too much.
Kerr-Mudd, John
2 months ago
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Thanks, I didn't read ahead.
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Beer bottles are still recycled in these parts, often many times.
Wine bottles, beer cans, and plastic water bottles are crushed,

Jan
Kerr-Mudd, John
2 months ago
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ObUsage; in UKE, IME 'Recycling' does mean crushing, melting and
probably using in other things. Returnable or Reusable
are the words we'd use for non-destructive erm recycling.
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Yes, thanks, same in Dutch, 'recycling', and in Flemish, 'recyclage'.
Reusable is 'herbruikbaar',

Jan
lar3ryca
2 months ago
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I swear some companies have a 'Usage Prevention Department'.
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Peter Moylan
2 months ago
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Bandaids have evolved over time. Fifty years ago we had "Tear off
end, pull string down". The string is now gone, and getting a
bandaid out of its packaging is a major challenge. While you're
being careful to keep the wound site sterile, it is almost
impossible to avoid touching the bandaid in places that shouldn't
be touched.
AOL. Lots of packaging is like that today.
I swear some companies have a 'Usage Prevention Department'.
These days my wife often asks me to open a bottle or jar for her,
because she no longer has the strength to do it. I'm getting the
impression that I am now close to the point of not having sufficient
strength, although having a rubber gripper helps. What do people do when
they're too old to open anything?
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Tony Cooper
2 months ago
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In the US, sign up for "Meals on Wheels". I'm not to that point yet,
but the web thing says each meal is $10.50, but the amount may be
adjusted (or not charged) in some cases. The people who deliver the
meals are volunteers.
jerryfriedman
2 months ago
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 22:27:30 +0000, Peter Moylan wrote:
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Post by Peter Moylan
These days my wife often asks me to open a bottle or jar for her,
because she no longer has the strength to do it. I'm getting the
impression that I am now close to the point of not having sufficient
strength, although having a rubber gripper helps. What do people do when
they're too old to open anything?
There are wrench-like things that give you more
grip and torque than a rubber gripper. There are
other solutions, such as not eating and drinking
things that come in hard-to-unscrew containers.
One I haven't heard of but might be worth trying
is asking a nice young person at the store to
open the jar for you and close it again, not too
tightly--unless you buy a lot of such jars.

When you can't open /anything/, including pill
bottles, you move someplace where people will do
it for you. If that's not your descendants'
homes, I hope the places in Australia give better
value for money than the ones here.

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Jerry Friedman

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Peter Moylan
2 months ago
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When you can't open /anything/, including pill bottles, you move
someplace where people will do it for you. If that's not your
descendants' homes, I hope the places in Australia give better value
for money than the ones here.
My wife works in aged care assessment, which is the part of the public
health system that deals with what level of public subsidy a person is
entitled to because of ill health and frailty, and also advises on
things like when a person should enter a nursing home. That gives her a
lot of inside knowledge, and she brings home a lot of horror stories.

For example, she knows how to choose a good nursing home. (Answer: avoid
most of them.)

She also has a lot of interactions with service providers. These are the
private companies that provide things like physiotherapy, house
cleaning, driving people to medical appointmnts, etc.; a very profitable
business. So she also knows which companies are ripping off the system.
(Answer: most of them.)

She'll probably be retiring in a few weeks, so we will have lost the
inside knowledge by the time we come to need it.
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
lar3ryca
2 months ago
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I just 3D print a tool.
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Synonym: a word you can use instead of a word you can't spell.
Silvano
2 months ago
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They buy a device like the one my mother left me.

Here's a photo of a similar apparel.
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There are also electric jar openers out there.
Silvano
2 months ago
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Actually, what I have now at home looks pretty much like
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Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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Browsing around from that link and looking at a veritable host of jar &
bottle opening devices, I came across a:
"Champagne Bottle Opener".
First World Problems
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Sam Plusnet
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Dipping in warm water may help. Or, in more extreme cases
punching a hole in the lid to let out the vacuum may also help,

Jan
Peter Moylan
2 months ago
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Post by Peter Moylan
These days my wife often asks me to open a bottle or jar for her,
because she no longer has the strength to do it. I'm getting the
impression that I am now close to the point of not having
sufficient strength, although having a rubber gripper helps. What
do people do when they're too old to open anything?
Dipping in warm water may help. Or, in more extreme cases punching a
hole in the lid to let out the vacuum may also help,
Often in extreme cases I bang the side of the lid with the back of a
heavy knife. That too will often let out the vacuum.

It has just occurred to me that I should be contacting some of my
ex-students. Some of them had a real talent, in laboratory work, for
letting the smoke out of things like transformers.
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Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Rich Ulrich
2 months ago
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My regular dinner knife is heavy enough to tap a lid. I'm not
aware of breaking the vacuum -- I thought I was just breaking
temporary seals between metal and glass.

If that doesn't work, I run hot water on the metal lid for a
few seconds. Presumably, the metal expands rapidly.

Also, I have a rubber pad that I use for gripping.

BTW, I grew up knowing that 'slick hands' explains the comic
scene of the petite wife opening the olives after the beefy
husband fails. Ordinary sweat and oils defeat the tight grip.
Clean hands work MUCH better. But that's what the rubber
pad gets around. I also keep handy a few square inches of
microfiber, which work better than bare hands.
Post by Peter Moylan
It has just occurred to me that I should be contacting some of my
ex-students. Some of them had a real talent, in laboratory work, for
letting the smoke out of things like transformers.
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Rich Ulrich
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Yes. Dynamic friction being smaller than static friction and all that.
Post by Rich Ulrich
If that doesn't work, I run hot water on the metal lid for a
few seconds. Presumably, the metal expands rapidly.
It is primarily the non-vacuum that expands,
thereby breaking the horrendous grip of the vacuum,

Jan
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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That only looks like smoke.
In reality it is the phlogiston getting out,
(releasing the heat of liberation)

Jan
Kerr-Mudd, John
2 months ago
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I'm going to go higher and proclaim a Trumpist E=mc^3
Take that, Banerjee!
(PS I've got some Universal Ether to revive later.)
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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What? Try the Phlogiston first!
It is well known (by some) also to kill Corona discharges,

Jan
Sam Plusnet
2 months ago
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Post by Peter Moylan
These days my wife often asks me to open a bottle or jar for her,
because she no longer has the strength to do it. I'm getting the
impression that I am now close to the point of not having sufficient
strength, although having a rubber gripper helps. What do people do when
they're too old to open anything?
Dipping in warm water may help. Or, in more extreme cases
punching a hole in the lid to let out the vacuum may also help,
Nah. The dripping will make the whole thing slippery.
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Sam Plusnet
musika
2 months ago
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You could always spread it on your toast.
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Ray
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Snidely
2 months ago
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Depends on how you dip, no? And a tea towel takes care of the rest.

/dps
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Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?
Anders D. Nygaard
2 months ago
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Post by Peter Moylan
These days my wife often asks me to open a bottle or jar for her,
because she no longer has the strength to do it. I'm getting the
impression that I am now close to the point of not having sufficient
strength, although having a rubber gripper helps. What do people do when
they're too old to open anything?
Dipping in warm water may help. Or, in more extreme cases
punching a hole in the lid to let out the vacuum may also help,
Yes, it won't do to confine vacuum to the inside of jars.
But be careful you don't let out too much, or you might suffocate.

/Anders, Denmark
lar3ryca
2 months ago
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I'm always careful to do it outside during the day, when the big
darksucker is up, so I can watch it.
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Studies show that women who carry a little extra weight
live longer than men who mention it.
J. J. Lodder
2 months ago
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Yes, you need it to balance the cold that radiates off the ground,

Jan
lar3ryca
2 months ago
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You got it!
Of course, it's best to do that when the trees are not waving to create
a lot of wind.
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We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
—Anonymous
Steve Hayes
3 months ago
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Post by Hibou
Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the
others came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions
between them?
"one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
I take it 'stuck on' here doesn't mean 'enamoured of', but 'baulk at'.
I interpreted it as meaning "could go no further" which is see as
related to, but not identical with "baulk at". At school I got stuck
on something in Algebra, and could make no further progress.
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Post by Steve Hayes
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional
notions of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on
the performance of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
I don't see those four qualities as masculine, but as human. Shouldn't
women have them too?
Which is no help in respect of 'chud', I'm afraid. Apparently it's not a
good thing to be.
Yes, I gathered that, I was just looking for more details.
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Aidan Kehoe
3 months ago
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[...] "one thing i’m stuck on is this idea that “masculine” energy means
license to act like a chud in public, as opposed to more traditional notions
of public masculinity, such as those that put a premium on the performance
of integrity, honesty, honor and generosity."
This is a fairly elemental misunderstanding of terms. “Masculinity” is a big
tent and always has been. Conor McGregor is a terrible person but he’s
certainly masculine in how he lives. Neil Armstrong was an admirable person and
also certainly masculine in how he lived.
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‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)
Cri-Cri
2 months ago
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What's the difference between a chud, a chauche, a prep and a chav?
I came across "chud" online today, and it seemed to be used in the
context of toxic masculinity, and in looking for definitions the others
came up. Are they synonyms, or are there fine discinctions between them?
No idea about the rest, but:

$ dict chud
1 definition found

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Chud \Chud\, v. t. [Cf. {Chew}, {Cud}.]
To champ; to bite. [Obs.] --A. Stafford.
[1913 Webster]
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Cri-Cri
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