another Roland Garros slogan - huh?

[Rich Ulrich]

Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.

"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.

"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 31 May 2022 21:01:57 -0400, Rich Ulrich

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a motto/slogan of the brand Roland-Garros.

https://www.rolandgarros.com/en-us/article/roland-garros-style-licensees-collection-2022

Or, at least the "Move the lines" part. They add "With Fighting
Spirit", "With Elegance", and "With Committment" in other ads.

The "lines" seem to be the line in the tennis courts. Rather than
being painted on, like most clay courts, the lines are embedded in the
surface. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stade_Roland_Garros

and the section "Playing Surface".

[Bebercito]

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a calque of the French expression "Faire bouger les
lignes", which could actually be translated as "Stir things up" or
the like. I'm not sure those (probably French people) who coined
the slogan were aware it made no sense to English-speakers,
though.

Post by Rich Ulrich
--
Rich Ulrich

[occam]

Post by Bebercito

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a calque of the French expression "Faire bouger les
lignes", which could actually be translated as "Stir things up" or
the like. I'm not sure those (probably French people) who coined
the slogan were aware it made no sense to English-speakers,
though.

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers] knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

[Bebercito]

Post by Bebercito

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a calque of the French expression "Faire bouger les
lignes", which could actually be translated as "Stir things up" or
the like. I'm not sure those (probably French people) who coined
the slogan were aware it made no sense to English-speakers,
though.

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers] knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

The problem is that there is supposed to be a visual pun with
the slogan, where the lines are physically extended ("moved")
in the attendant logo. This pun of "stirring things up" and
"extending the lines" does work in French, but not in English
as "move the lines" is not an English idiom that means "stir
things up". Therefore, all English-speakers see in the ad, as
Rich said, is penmanship with letters that represent the
extended lines - big deal.

[Rich Ulrich]

Post by Bebercito

Post by Bebercito

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a calque of the French expression "Faire bouger les
lignes", which could actually be translated as "Stir things up" or
the like. I'm not sure those (probably French people) who coined
the slogan were aware it made no sense to English-speakers,
though.

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers] knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

The problem is that there is supposed to be a visual pun with
the slogan, where the lines are physically extended ("moved")
in the attendant logo. This pun of "stirring things up" and
"extending the lines" does work in French, but not in English
as "move the lines" is not an English idiom that means "stir
things up". Therefore, all English-speakers see in the ad, as
Rich said, is penmanship with letters that represent the
extended lines - big deal.

Thanks - That seems to cover it.

What I am left wondering, now, is: Why was Roland Garros,
who died at the end of WW I in 1918, celebrated with a stadium
that was built ten years later? Why not some other war hero?

The Wiki article gives enough details of his life -- splashy -- that
my guess is: he became an icon in France like Charles Lindbergh
became in America. Garros was a few years earlier.

[Bebercito]

Post by Rich Ulrich

Post by Bebercito

Post by Bebercito

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It seems to be a calque of the French expression "Faire bouger les
lignes", which could actually be translated as "Stir things up" or
the like. I'm not sure those (probably French people) who coined
the slogan were aware it made no sense to English-speakers,
though.

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers] knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

The problem is that there is supposed to be a visual pun with
the slogan, where the lines are physically extended ("moved")
in the attendant logo. This pun of "stirring things up" and
"extending the lines" does work in French, but not in English
as "move the lines" is not an English idiom that means "stir
things up". Therefore, all English-speakers see in the ad, as
Rich said, is penmanship with letters that represent the
extended lines - big deal.

Thanks - That seems to cover it.
What I am left wondering, now, is: Why was Roland Garros,
who died at the end of WW I in 1918, celebrated with a stadium
that was built ten years later? Why not some other war hero?

Roland Garros had been a member of a renowned French
sports association, "le Stade français". Long after his death,
when a friend of his became president of that association,
he required that the tennis stadium to be built to host the
Davis Cup be named after his late friend.

Post by Rich Ulrich
The Wiki article gives enough details of his life -- splashy -- that
my guess is: he became an icon in France like Charles Lindbergh
became in America. Garros was a few years earlier.
--
Rich Ulrich

[Silvano]

Post by Rich Ulrich
What I am left wondering, now, is: Why was Roland Garros,
who died at the end of WW I in 1918, celebrated with a stadium
that was built ten years later? Why not some other war hero?

The story is here, but only in the French Wikipedia.
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros#Un_nom_li%C3%A9_au_tennis>

[Bebercito]

Post by Silvano

Post by Rich Ulrich
What I am left wondering, now, is: Why was Roland Garros,
who died at the end of WW I in 1918, celebrated with a stadium
that was built ten years later? Why not some other war hero?

The story is here, but only in the French Wikipedia.
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros#Un_nom_li%C3%A9_au_tennis>

Yes and this particular passage confirms and elaborates on my previous
post:

---
Un nom lié au tennis
Le nom de Roland Garros est généralement associé au tennis. En effet, Roland Garros
avait adhéré à la section rugby du Stade français en 1906, avec le parrainage de son
condisciple d'HEC et athlète Émile Lesieur , et c’est ce dernier qui, en 1927, devenu
président de la prestigieuse association, exigea fermement que l’on donnât le nom
de son ami au stade de tennis parisien qu’il fallait construire pour accueillir les
épreuves de la coupe Davis ramenée en France par les « Mousquetaires ». Dixit
le compte-rendu : « je ne sortirai pas un sou de mes caisses si on ne donne pas
à ce stade le nom de mon ami Garros. »
---

[Peter Moylan]

On 03/06/22 03:52, Bebercito wrote:

[quoting Wikipedia]

[...] et c’est ce dernier qui, en 1927, devenu président de la
prestigieuse association, exigea fermement que l’on donnât le nom de
son ami au stade de tennis [...]

It was just recently that someone asserted in this newsgroup that
today's French speakers never use the passé simple. Clearly, here is a
Wikipedia author who seems to be perfectly comfortable even with
l'imparfait du subjonctif.

From a little later in that paragraph: is "dixit" commonly used by
French speakers?

And elsewhere in the same paragraph: « La victoire appartient au plus
opiniâtre ». The translation into English loses something of its force
by using "tenacious".

[Silvano]

Post by Peter Moylan
[quoting Wikipedia]

[...] et c’est ce dernier qui, en 1927, devenu président de la
prestigieuse association, exigea fermement que l’on donnât le nom de
son ami au stade de tennis [...]

It was just recently that someone asserted in this newsgroup that
today's French speakers never use the passé simple. Clearly, here is a
Wikipedia author who seems to be perfectly comfortable even with
l'imparfait du subjonctif.

The quoted sentence is:
1) written, not spoken
2) about an historical event (in 1927)

Still skeptical? Ask the French NG corresponding to AUE, with the slight
amendment that today's French _speakers_ hardly ever use the passé simple.

[Bebercito]

Post by Peter Moylan
[quoting Wikipedia]

[...] et c’est ce dernier qui, en 1927, devenu président de la
prestigieuse association, exigea fermement que l’on donnât le nom de
son ami au stade de tennis [...]

It was just recently that someone asserted in this newsgroup that
today's French speakers never use the passé simple. Clearly, here is a
Wikipedia author who seems to be perfectly comfortable even with
l'imparfait du subjonctif.

Currently an endangered species, though.

Post by Peter Moylan
From a little later in that paragraph: is "dixit" commonly used by
French speakers?

About as often as "exit", as discussed in a recent ("frexit") topic.

Post by Peter Moylan
And elsewhere in the same paragraph: « La victoire appartient au plus
opiniâtre ». The translation into English loses something of its force
by using "tenacious".
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Rich Ulrich]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 23:21:39 +1000, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
[quoting Wikipedia]

[...] et c’est ce dernier qui, en 1927, devenu président de la
prestigieuse association, exigea fermement que l’on donnât le nom de
son ami au stade de tennis [...]

It was just recently that someone asserted in this newsgroup that
today's French speakers never use the passé simple. Clearly, here is a
Wikipedia author who seems to be perfectly comfortable even with
l'imparfait du subjonctif.
From a little later in that paragraph: is "dixit" commonly used by
French speakers?
And elsewhere in the same paragraph: « La victoire appartient au plus
opiniâtre ». The translation into English loses something of its force
by using "tenacious".

Is this better?
"Victory belongs to the most obstinate."

I heard that variation in a TV commercial during the tournament.

It seems reasonable to me that they used the words that
Roland Garros himself "carved on his propellor" - my first image
of that was not a carving at the hub, but something that would
have ruined the aerodynamics.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Rich Ulrich
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 23:21:39 +1000, Peter Moylan

Post by Peter Moylan
And elsewhere in the same paragraph: « La victoire appartient au
plus opiniâtre ». The translation into English loses something of
its force by using "tenacious".

Is this better? "Victory belongs to the most obstinate."

Yes, that's a better translation. I would have picked "stubborn", but
that means much the same as "obstinate".

[Hibou]

Post by occam
I am 100% sure they [the advertisers] knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

It wouldn't do as a slogan for the SNCF.

[occam]

Post by Hibou

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers]  knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

It wouldn't do as a slogan for the SNCF.

Why? Does the SNCF play tennis? Their rail lines are straight and
immovable by forethought rather than creativity.

[Hibou]

Post by occam

Post by Hibou

I am 100% sure they [the advertisers]  knew what they were doing. (See
Tony's remark about 'lines' and 'tennis'. In tennis, moving the lines
*is* breaking the rules, hence stirring things up. That is a *good*
thing in design. )

It wouldn't do as a slogan for the SNCF.

Why? Does the SNCF play tennis? Their rail lines are straight and
immovable by forethought rather than creativity.

« Faire bouger les lignes » is a general expression, not restricted to
tennis.

I meant that we like to think of railway lines as fixed, solid, reliable
things, though in fact they can move down quite a bit under a train's
weight.

All of which reminds me of Gromit laying track as he went....

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Hibou
I meant that we like to think of railway lines as fixed, solid,
reliable things, though in fact they can move down quite a bit under
a train's weight.

They can also buckle in very hot weather. The gaps between rails are
supposed to allow for this, but those gaps were, in most cases, designed
before global warming became a topic of conversation.

(The temperature rise in Australia has been significantly greater than
the global average rise, which makes it even more shocking that we had a
government of climate change deniers for the entire past decade. Rupert
has a lot to answer for.)

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou
I meant that we like to think of railway lines as fixed, solid,
reliable things, though in fact they can move down quite a bit under
a train's weight.

They can also buckle in very hot weather. The gaps between rails are
supposed to allow for this, but those gaps were, in most cases, designed
before global warming became a topic of conversation.

Is Australia backward, or have you failed to keep up?
In Europe rails are welded, no gaps. (except near stations)
Thermal forces are kept in check by using heavy concrete blocks
connected by steel rods as sleepers.
(laid in broken stone, not gravel)
In winter the rails are heated before welding,
to make sure that the rails are tension-free
at about the right temperature.
High speed trains such as the French TGV
would not be possible otherwise,

Jan

Post by Peter Moylan
(The temperature rise in Australia has been significantly greater than
the global average rise, which makes it even more shocking that we had a
government of climate change deniers for the entire past decade. Rupert
has a lot to answer for.)

[Peter Moylan]

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Peter Moylan

Post by Hibou
I meant that we like to think of railway lines as fixed, solid,
reliable things, though in fact they can move down quite a bit under
a train's weight.

They can also buckle in very hot weather. The gaps between rails are
supposed to allow for this, but those gaps were, in most cases, designed
before global warming became a topic of conversation.

Is Australia backward, or have you failed to keep up?
In Europe rails are welded, no gaps. (except near stations)
Thermal forces are kept in check by using heavy concrete blocks
connected by steel rods as sleepers.
(laid in broken stone, not gravel)
In winter the rails are heated before welding,
to make sure that the rails are tension-free
at about the right temperature.
High speed trains such as the French TGV
would not be possible otherwise,

A little googling suggests that this approach is used for some rail
lines in Australia. Apparently the rails are heated during construction
to ensure that they will always be under tension.

There have been suggestions that this is short-sighted. One source
suggests that the pre-heating is only to 40 degrees (Celsius). That
strikes me as very low. For the rail line from Alice Springs to Darwin
(1420 km) the expected temperature range is -10 to +65 degrees. Concrete
sleepers can limit the buckling, but it is an observed fact that rail
lines still do buckle.

[Lewis]

Post by Rich Ulrich
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

It's the motto for Roland Garros.

Motto may not be the right word. Tagline, perhaps? Signature phrase?

<https://newsdirect.com/news/roland-garros-and-oppo-proudly-announce-their-extended-premium-partnership-for-2022-and-2023-tournaments-875866633>
Roland-Garros and OPPO share the same values and aim to constantly
reinvent themselves in order to offer an optimal user experience. OPPO
recently launched a new brand proposition, “Inspiration Ahead”, which
affirms this ambition and ties in with the Roland-Garros tournament’s
new signature, “Move the lines, with style”.

"Mission statement nonsense speak" in short.

[[e-mail]]

Post by Rich Ulrich
Amongst a plethora of brand names on the walls above a tennis
court at Roland Garros, a couple of slogans are written in English.
"The bank for a changing world" is dry and obvious. It also occurs
in French, below the bank's name. I have no question about it.
"Move the Lines, with Style" -- means nothing to me; no associations.
A few of the letters are written with extended lines. It's kind of by
itself. My question: What am I missing?

The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

[occam]

Post by ***@gmail.com
The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

Post by ***@gmail.com
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

[Bebercito]

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Bebercito

Garros label seems to have backfired, because the> > hero of that name
has been forgottenL
Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French>
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

They have a better idea of who Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, another French
aviator, was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exupéry

Post by Bebercito

Post by ***@gmail.com
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

[Bebercito]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Bebercito

Garros label seems to have backfired, because the> > hero of that name
has been forgottenL
Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French>
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

They have a better idea of who Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, another French
aviator, was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exupéry

Indeed, maybe because he was also a writer. When I was in primary
school, his /Le Petit Prince/ was even on the curriculum.

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Bebercito

Post by ***@gmail.com
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[Jerry Friedman]

[Roland Garros]

Post by Bebercito

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Bebercito
But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

They have a better idea of who Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, another French
aviator, was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exupéry

Indeed, maybe because he was also a writer. When I was in primary
school, his /Le Petit Prince/ was even on the curriculum.

And when I was in middle school--if you took French you read /Le
Petit Prince/, and if you took Spanish you read /El Principito/.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Jerry Friedman

Le lundi 6 juin 2022 à 17:06:59 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :>

[Roland Garros]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he> > >
actually was.

They have a better idea of who Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, another
French> > aviator, was.> >> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exupéry

Indeed, maybe because he was also a writer. When I was in primary>
school, his /Le Petit Prince/ was even on the curriculum.

And when I was in middle school--if you took French you read /Le
Petit Prince/, and if you took Spanish you read /El Principito/.

And if you were me your wife (then fiancée) gave you a copy of El
Principito with the full text of Le Petit Prince included. She was a
bit shocked that I hadn't been familiar with The Little Prince. We
didn't have it in any language when I was at school, but I think a
friend of mine at Oxford mentioned it once.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Bebercito

Garros label seems to have backfired, because the> > hero of
that name has been forgottenL Forgotten? By whom? Not by the
French. Not if they named the French> equivalent of the Wimbledon
tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

They have a better idea of who Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, another
French aviator, was.

But what is Saint-Exupéry known for? I've read three of his books, but
most people seem to know only about the one aimed at children.

[occam]

Post by Bebercito

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

Post by Bebercito

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Garros_(aviator)>

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by occam

Post by Bebercito

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

When we first moved to our present address we didn't know who Maurice
Barrès was. If we had known we might have preferred to live somewhere
else.

[occam]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by occam

Post by Bebercito

Post by occam

Post by ***@gmail.com
The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

When we first moved to our present address we didn't know who Maurice
Barrès was. If we had known we might have preferred to live somewhere else.

Do you think the estate agent would have accepted a lesser offer, had
you raised the issue?

[Ruud Harmsen]

Post by occam
I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

Wrong. If Mozart is still known today, Lennon certainly will.

[[e-mail]]

Post by Ruud Harmsen

Post by occam
I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

Wrong. If Mozart is still known today, Lennon certainly will.

Difficult question. Worldwide, I think that Mozart, centuries after his death,
is better known now than Lennon is, only decades after his death.

Baby boomers like me were deeply affected by the changes in popular music
that Lennon and the Beatles were part of. But I'm not convinced that in a few more
centuries, Lennon will be as well known as Mozart is now.

bill

[Ruud Harmsen]

Post by ***@shaw.ca

Post by Ruud Harmsen

Post by occam
I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

Wrong. If Mozart is still known today, Lennon certainly will.

Difficult question. Worldwide, I think that Mozart, centuries after his death,
is better known now than Lennon is, only decades after his death.
Baby boomers like me were deeply affected by the changes in popular music
that Lennon and the Beatles were part of. But I'm not convinced that in a few more
centuries, Lennon will be as well known as Mozart is now.

I am. All the classics from that style of music. Queen, Stairway to
Heaven, Satisfaction, etc. etc. They will still be known, and still be
played, on whatever will have replaced radio, and Spotify and there
likes, by then.

[Peter Moylan]

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The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

I am sure in 100 years' time people will not remember the name of John
Lennon, when they fly out of Liverpool Airport. The intellectually
curious will have to look it up.

Author of /Das Kapital/, wasn't he? Oh, wait, that was Harpo.

[J. J. Lodder]

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The Roland Garros label seems to have backfired, because the
hero of that name has been forgottenL

Forgotten? By whom? Not by the French. Not if they named the French
equivalent of the Wimbledon tennis tournament after him.

But despite the fuss around the tournament, few French know who he
actually was.

Have Americans also forgotten Eddie Rickenbacker?
(in full Capt. Eddie V. Rickenbacker)

Jan